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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

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Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:
Trump should do his job and listen to the experts but that’s not happening! New York is a great example!

Re-read your post... but slowly.

Do they even teach federalism in schools anymore? Our Republic was not designed for the federal government to be the go-to, be-all, end-all. There's precious little that the federal government is even *supposed* to do. States are supposed to be largely autonomous, and for good reason. New York is not the same as Idaho. Different regions experience different conditions, which require different solutions. Sure, the federal government can provide some guidance and resources, but the States should take the lead.

MB, Schools out... long time ago.. and maybe I didn’t explain it well.. ? my concern is; Trump makes statements about getting back to normal too soon based on the economy losses. Has nothing to do with federalism. I am well aware of states and fed powers, needs. Btw, where is the stimulus package coming from? Not the states. That’s not precious little.. We pretty much have a ways to go before the all clear flag waves. Some states stepped up quickly, others are lagging behind. That will bite them in the a z z.

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Trump makes statements about getting back to normal too soon based on the economy losses.

Too soon? Based upon what data? I don't want to talk about projections because everyone's projections show only worst case. What we are really concerned about is overwhelming hospitals right? That isn't a problem here. They are empty. Should we treat areas like ours the same as other states, and metro areas? Fed could give money to states to use in the way that works the best for that state.

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Originally posted by wideopen231:

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Originally posted by fuzzy dice:

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Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:
Trump should do his job and listen to the experts but that’s not happening! New York is a great example!

There you go, it is trump's fault...walk a mile in his shoes and then get back to us...

Why did Trumps experts tell him to dump NY into the ocean right after California?

I would like to know what his EXPERTS told him to do that would have made NY's situation any different?

Trumps fault? No. Yeah I was to harsh on the statement with the latest outbreak. It’s bad period.
Like I said; I hope he listens and I hope the states/gov/mayors do the same.

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Trump makes statements about getting back to normal too soon based on the economy losses.

Too soon? Based upon what data? I don't want to talk about projections because everyone's projections show only worst case. What we are really concerned about is overwhelming hospitals right? That isn't a problem here. They are empty. Should we treat areas like ours the same as other states, and metro areas? Fed could give money to states to use in the way that works the best for that state.

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I agree Bucky. Exactly, not all areas are affected the same. Poor choice of words on my part. Just hoping he doesn’t lift early..

Enough of this for me. I’m not an expert. Back to work on my stuff instead of typing here.
Be safe guys!

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Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:
Trump should do his job and listen to the experts but that’s not happening! New York is a great example!

Here's what President Trump said.......


I want to assure Americans that we have a team of public health experts. You’ve gotten to know them as well as I know them; they’re great people. Incredible. Talented. They love our country. Also, economists and other professionals working to develop a sophisticated plan to reopen the economy as soon as the time is right — one based on the best science, the best modeling, and the best medical research there is anywhere on Earth.

Our great people have been — especially when it comes to our public health experts and officials — have been helping other countries, dealing with other countries, constant touch with other countries, helping them out, because many of them have never seen anything like what’s happening.

But our decision will be based on hard facts and data as to the opening. I’m also hopeful to have Americans working again by that Easter — that beautiful Easter day. But rest assured, every decision we make is grounded solely on the health, safety, and well being of our citizens.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/bri...e-press-briefing-10/


Did the media take President Trump's words out of context ?

Many countries including China are working on a vaccination. Pretty sure the news will be good on the vaccination.It might not be until the end of the year though.Maybe December?

Are guys speaking of food, the local track here has given out their supplier for the restaurant and snack bar at the track they have over 5000 items listed. This includes paper items, all you do is go to the website request what you need go to their location and pick up.Pretty cool deal, burgers come in a 24 pack dogs and Polish sausage in 48 count packages. Kind of a cool deal!

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Did the media take President Trump's words out of context ?

If they did, I'm SHOCKED...….

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Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Trump makes statements about getting back to normal too soon based on the economy losses.

Too soon? Based upon what data? I don't want to talk about projections because everyone's projections show only worst case. What we are really concerned about is overwhelming hospitals right? That isn't a problem here. They are empty. Should we treat areas like ours the same as other states, and metro areas? Fed could give money to states to use in the way that works the best for that state.

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I agree Bucky. Exactly, not all areas are affected the same. Poor choice of words on my part. Just hoping he doesn’t lift early..

What exactly do you mean you hope HE doesn't lift early? Lift what?
This is the thing. If anyone suggests that the restrictions are too tight and are ruining the economy perhaps by being too stringent, the "other side" assumes that what they mean is we should all go back to business as usual and in fact we should implement full mouth kissing in the streets for good measure. Isn't there somewhere in the middle that there is some common ground? Our state is full closed except for essential businesses. What about letting most businesses go back at it? Keep the kids home a bit longer. Leave dine in closed a little longer. But let the rest go back to running the world? Why polarize everything?

Bucky,
100% DEAD ON.

This doesn't have to be "ON or OFF" as the doctors want. They don't care, they are still being paid so we can't listen to them, they'd have us shutdown for 18 months if they had their way.

Compromise, No gathering BUT you can still work.
If YOU choose to stay home that's fine but if you want to go to work that's fine too.

Shutting down states to essential employees only is killing everything.

I just got a text from my friend Joe this morning. He and his wife both work for a local (same) Subaru dealer. He is in sales, she is in service. They were both just handed layoff notices.
The worst part is they just closed on a new house a couple months ago and used most of their savings to keep the payments down.
They aren't eligible for the stimulus because they made over the $$ limits (they both work second jobs which are shutdown also, her waitress, him landscaping, etc).

As he said, the bankruptcy attorney's will be raking in the $$ and foreclosures will be going thru the roof within a few months.
Unfortunately he is NOT alone.

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Bucky,
100% DEAD ON.

This doesn't have to be "ON or OFF" as the doctors want. They don't care, they are still being paid so we can't listen to them, they'd have us shutdown for 18 months if they had their way.

Compromise, No gathering BUT you can still work.
If YOU choose to stay home that's fine but if you want to go to work that's fine too.

Shutting down states to essential employees only is killing everything.

I just got a text from my friend Joe this morning. He and his wife both work for a local (same) Subaru dealer. He is in sales, she is in service. They were both just handed layoff notices.
The worst part is they just closed on a new house a couple months ago and used most of their savings to keep the payments down.
They aren't eligible for the stimulus because they made over the $$ limits (they both work second jobs which are shutdown also, her waitress, him landscaping, etc).

As he said, the bankruptcy attorney's will be raking in the $$ and foreclosures will be going thru the roof within a few months.
Unfortunately he is NOT alone.

I don't think there is anything nefarious in our Doctors intentions. You are right, they and their staff are working full speed and their personal finances are seeing no pain. Where they do see pain is in the people affected/infected by the virus. So their vision of the world is different than it is for many of us. They are champions of their cause based upon their view of the situation. And obviously their opinion is among the most important. But theirs should not be the only opinion at the table. There are other things that need to be considered. The decisions are not made in a vacuum.

What we need is a pragmatic plan to get through this that considers all aspects. And this plan needs to be fluid and change as this pandemic evolves.

Honestly, I think more of this should be handled at the state level. They are more in tune with what is going on locally (although the Illinois governor is only in tune with Chicago, and is fully incompetent, but I digress). Rural areas should be going about their business and taking precautions as needed. Our county hospital is EMPTY. They emptied all the non essential surgeries. You got cancer? Well you are going to have to wait and maybe die. We got this empty hospital waiting for the wave of zombies, and we can't go wasting a mask on your sick ass. We have had to my knowledge, one county confirmed case, and they recovered and went home. I may have missed other confirmations in the recent days.

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I agree 100% again.
My only point is (as you said) they need to seek input from economists also not just the doctors as they seem to be doing.

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Originally posted by pentastarrail:
I agree 100% again.
My only point is (as you said) they need to seek input from economists also not just the doctors as they seem to be doing.

Yep. Everyone still gets a seat at the table.

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Originally posted by pentastarrail:


As he said, the bankruptcy attorney's will be raking in the $$ and foreclosures will be going thru the roof within a few months.
Unfortunately he is NOT alone.

What you're looking at is the biggest wealth transfer in the history of the world.

Humanity or in other words Awakened people like myself understand economic independence is being destroyed by the minute. Humanity also understands it as if AI enacted disproportionate measures in accordance to the statistics of the reported threat.

It's either AI or humans lacking conscious to the level the measures taken destroy economic independence of humanity.

Either way economic dependence will result.

If they turned the lights back on today, awakened people (humanity) understand the damage that is done (past tense).

Small business economic independence has been destroyed. Many will never re-open.

$1200 stimulants will achieve nothing.

While multi-national conglomerates are bailed out in pre-preperation for what is to come (future tense).

Trump has a very smart "economist" in Steve Mnuchin, one of the smartest guys in the Country.

Google his accomplishments.

I can't think of a better guy to bring into the conversation than Mr. Mnuchin.

Bob

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Originally posted by RPROGAS:
Trump has a very smart "economist" in Steve Mnuchin, one of the smartest guys in the Country.

Google his accomplishments.

I can't think of a better guy to bring into the conversation than Mr. Mnuchin.

Bob

You're living on wishful thinking not based in reality.

What measures have you seen taken to enable small business to re-open?

Small business is hiding their money under their mattress, not fulfilling lease obligations. Every week that goes by, that money they're hiding evaporates.

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Originally posted by RPROGAS:
Trump has a very smart "economist" in Steve Mnuchin, one of the smartest guys in the Country.

Google his accomplishments.

I can't think of a better guy to bring into the conversation than Mr. Mnuchin.

Bob

Aside from CV-19, Hows the engine?

3.3 million US citizens filed for unemployment this week, before counting systems locked up.

Who will small business's serve? US citizens are already financed to their gills.

Is Munchin gonna expand credit further in order to substitute for lost wages? No.

The banks are gonna tighten, this is why Boeing is drawing down in anticipation of credit tightening, the same as Boeing did in 2007.

The next thing Munchin rolls out is universal income (socialism - dependence), would be my guess.

This isn't doom and gloom, this is reality. They're out of options.

What really needs to happen is everyone needs to take a haircut - debt jubilee before the dollar is killed.

I'd have the least to gain by a reset, because I have no debt. I've been hiding money under my mattress 35 years in anticipation.

https://youtu.be/mxAD_jTFm08

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