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Originally posted by RacerVX54:

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Originally posted by Eman:
Let's hear or see the proof of cheating on the tree in FB.

I didn't say tree did i?

Read the title of the thread, now 7 pages of yadda,yadda,yadda

If I surmise what I am reading here: Cheating is happening with tree sensing devices because
1. It is possible
2. There is incentive

I swear it was someone who has already posted on this thread did an article on slew rate controllers a bunch of years ago, and promised a follow up article showing the results of testing. Was the test subjected suicided by the Clintons?

I don't even know if I would consider it cheating to run an MSD box that is deemed illegal. If you aren't using it to gain an advantage not allowed in the rules, is it cheating? Illegal and cheating are two different things.

You forgot -

3. A solution is coming to prevent the stealing from other racers and my friends.

SL

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Originally posted by DragRaceResults:
You forgot -

3. A solution is coming to prevent the stealing from other racers and my friends.

SL

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Originally posted by DragRaceResults:
You forgot -

3. A solution is coming to prevent the stealing from other racers and my friends.

SL

A countermeasure is a measure or action taken to counter or offset another one. As a general concept it implies precision, and is any technological or tactical solution or system designed to prevent an undesirable outcome in the process.

The solution is probably a device that needs to bought/installed in a Racers vehicle to counter the opponents cheating device.

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Originally posted by DragRaceResults:
You forgot -

3. A solution is coming to prevent the stealing from other racers and my friends.

SL

Solution doesn't need to be invented, it's called footbrake. Eliminate delay boxes,transbrakes and buttons. Then allow anything anyone can build or buy in a take your chances technology class. Why try and police it? Turn it loose and see what they can really do.

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Originally posted by Eman:

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Originally posted by RacerVX54:

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Originally posted by Eman:
Let's hear or see the proof of cheating on the tree in FB.

I didn't say tree did i?

Read the title of the thread, now 7 pages of yadda,yadda,yadda

You footrake right? Why do you care about this topic lol smh

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Originally posted by DragRaceResults:
You forgot -

3. A solution is coming to prevent the stealing from other racers and my friends.

SL

A solution to a problem I don't have. Terrific! Do I get to pay for it too?

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Originally posted by DragRaceResults:
You forgot -

3. A solution is coming to prevent the stealing from other racers and my friends.

SL

A solution to a problem I don't have. Terrific! Do I get to pay for it too?

You will probably have a choice to pay for it or not. I'm sure DRR is in the business to make money!

I must be missing something here. We can send a man to the moon, have an orbiting space station, a military that has radar jamming devices, electronic devices that can jam a cell phone signal so why cant a device be made to jam ANY sensing device emanating from a race car. Or a device that shields the tree from such a device.

You people would REALLY freak out if you had participated in the Corona Lockdown Practice Tree League. Bottom bulbers cuss when they're .007 or worse. H*ll, you should watch the Junior Dragster kids! They're unbelievable.

Bottom Bulb...

A friend of mine...





Some of mine...





This is Footbrake racing.



Different people are wired differently. I participated in the Top Bulb class in the Corona league, too. I'm terrible with a delay box. If I had a box, I would still hit the bottom and adjust from there. (I am in the process of going to the dark side... car's in the chassis shop now getting a glide w/ a brake, along with a Just-N-Time adjustable button).

I can throw an orange ball at a metal ring bolted to a vertical board for a half hour and be lucky to sink one or two, but there are people that can shoot 3-pointers all day.

Quite frankly, I'm not surprised at people being so good. I'm surprised that we're all not better than we are.


I think Stephen Hughes nailed it...

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I feel that cars can be that good if the effort is made to get the combo right. Now mine will not do it every race, but more times than not, it’s not my cars fault I lose. I also think that a guy makes a few good laps on a live feed and all of a sudden the stories turn into his car runs identical every pass, or he doesn’t change his dial etc. If those cars are really doing that, post the run sheets to prove it. Some folks are also smart enough to manipulate their cars to run a couple numbers different and never change the dial. Even the numbers on react can be deceiving because you don’t know delay setting changes, bump downs etc. I’ve had days on the tree that look really sweet on paper, but if folks knew how I arrived at those numbers they would realize there is a bit of decision making and luck involved.

Michael, good post about the practice tree results.

Some years ago when I was very competitive in top bulb my best practice was in the car, helmet on, utilizing button in the car, with a full-size tree. On many occasions, I recall easing into the staging position and thinking, "this is just like at the shop, piece of cake"

Now that I plan to compete in foot brake I am setting up the same situation with a Biondo foot pedal.

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You will probably have a choice to pay for it or not. I'm sure DRR is in the business to make money!

NOPE - Not this way! The way I and all the companies and individual's involved will profit is by the sport we love not becoming obsolete!

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Originally posted by maliciousintent:
I must be missing something here. We can send a man to the moon, have an orbiting space station, a military that has radar jamming devices, electronic devices that can jam a cell phone signal so why cant a device be made to jam ANY sensing device emanating from a race car. Or a device that shields the tree from such a device.

I actually have one I am selling. They are in a sealed box of course and proprietary. You can have them in your car, and they block all of this nonsense for 300' around your car. All you need is ground and 12V. I promise even if left plugged in, it will not draw down your battery. And in order to keep it tip top, it needs to come in annually.
I haven't come up with a price yet. How do you put a price tag on piece of mind?

^^^^^ very good.

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Originally posted by DragRaceResults:

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You will probably have a choice to pay for it or not. I'm sure DRR is in the business to make money!

NOPE - Not this way! The way I and all the companies and individual's involved will profit is by the sport we love not becoming obsolete!

That's good to here & the right thing to do!

Just got some great feedback today, wheels in motion!

Michael Beard Pretty much nailed it in my opinion. We have bottom bulb guys everywhere that can hold .010 spread in 8 rnds. I really think with the caliber of equipment now and everyone’s willingness to give out info for nearly free that this is what it’s come to. All the tools are there to tune a car to look like it repeats all day and there perfectly legal,(same on the rt side, bumps etc.) 15-20 years ago you couldn’t log on and have some of the best tell you everything they know for a small fee. I’m sure there are a few cheaters out there but I personally don’t believe it’s any of the frequent winners. If you want to know it’s not happening then it’s 7al’s and footbraking. You will still see a repeating group of winners......

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Originally posted by regal:
Michael Beard Pretty much nailed it in my opinion. We have bottom bulb guys everywhere that can hold .010 spread in 8 rnds. I really think with the caliber of equipment now and everyone’s willingness to give out info for nearly free that this is what it’s come to. All the tools are there to tune a car to look like it repeats all day and there perfectly legal,(same on the rt side, bumps etc.) 15-20 years ago you couldn’t log on and have some of the best tell you everything they know for a small fee. I’m sure there are a few cheaters out there but I personally don’t believe it’s any of the frequent winners. If you want to know it’s not happening then it’s 7al’s and footbraking. You will still see a repeating group of winners......

Well it seems as if either you and Beard will be proven right or wrong soon if what I’m reading from Scott is right. I will say that what you posted about 7AL2 and footbrake is correct but for the most part in that it is easier to see why they win more in my opinion.

Heck just back down a little on track prep and the drivers will rise to the top. LOL

I saw some comments on Facebook over the weekend that said how tough the Spring Fling was.There were comments like you would not win a round if your package was worse than .005.
Now don't get me wrong( I doubt I would win a round),but I just looked at the results on Dragstory.com and there were several rounds won with teen lights.If these tree sensing devices are being used,are they being used on every run by the people that have them?