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I talk to a lot of racers, real good racers, and I consider myself to be slightly above average, not elite, but slightly above average. I HAVE to have a good race car, because I don't own a horse shoe if you get my drift. I along with most TOP TIER racers aren't afraid of cars that go dead on, because they know it's attainable. HELL I had 3 runs in a row within .001 this past weekend with cars that had never been down the track! and I know I can make them better. Now the starting line is a different story, if you take the human element out of letting go, our sport as we know it will end. I along with some very smart and moral people will not let this happen. I don't have many muscles, but I'm flexing them on this subject. You won't believe the progress made in 24 hours. Get ready! | |||
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| DRR / Crew |
Pauley - My blue car that Will Holloman got to 4 at twice last year at SFG500 went 4.63 in Huntsville, the next week in Memphis, and in Martin Michigan. Was 4.62-4.65 in 3 states, 4 tracks, 3 different drivers, 115 runs from 8:30 am to 3:30 in the middle of the night. And it's on GAS I'd gladly let anyone tear it down. | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
I admire your efforts Scott and I will be anxious to see what your findings are. you are correct the car is just a machine and can be made to do incredible things. my car also last week made 5 runs that were within a few thou at the half track. but it will not make 10. and I get that the human effort is in question. keep up the good work and keep us informed. ep | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
I feel that cars can be that good if the effort is made to get the combo right. Now mine will not do it every race, but more times than not, it’s not my cars fault I lose. I also think that a guy makes a few good laps on a live feed and all of a sudden the stories turn into his car runs identical every pass, or he doesn’t change his dial etc. If those cars are really doing that, post the run sheets to prove it. Some folks are also smart enough to manipulate their cars to run a couple numbers different and never change the dial. Even the numbers on react can be deceiving because you don’t know delay setting changes, bump downs etc. I’ve had days on the tree that look really sweet on paper, but if folks knew how I arrived at those numbers they would realize there is a bit of decision making and luck involved. The Pull-Out....for when you want to work smarter, not harder!!! | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
As far as the technology- it’s readily available and cheap, anyone can get the parts needed from dozens of online retailers. IF I were to do it, I’d hide the control board and sensor in my helmet- easiest way to make sure the sensor is always aimed at the tree. No wires needed from driver to car- there are Bluetooth, radio xmitters/receivers, hell even WiFi cards smaller than a nickle readily available and cheap. Put sensor, control board, and a radio freq/WiFi/Bluetooth transmitter in the helmet, put the receiver and another small control board inside the delay box, and you’d have a functional system that would be very hard to find by a “tear down”. Parts could be had for less than $50, just take a little relatively simple programming to set it up. I’ve been programming automation systems and controls for 15+ years, it would blow most people’s minds what can be done these days. That’s just one of many, many different ways to do it. It don’t require nearly the capability of an industrial PLC..it’s a simple routine. To catch someone in the act is going to take someone who knows what’s possible with logic controls as well as extensive knowledge of racing electronics, not many of those types around. | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
Exactly true... I was more a bracket racer than a S/ category racer most of my racing career. I raced pretty much the best racers in my area and we had some greats. We raced for peanuts mostly... Cars got better, racers got better for sure but a big $$ race was $5 grand and maybe the Cash Nationals went to 10 and it went up from there 30+ years ago You could win $5 grand for a NHRA points race.....Well over $10 grand for a National.....I did so I know.....That was 30+ years ago....!!!! Today 10 or 20 is on the low end anymore and the numbers are huge...... | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
Back in the early nineties, we had a guy from up state NY that drove a Monte Carlo in Super Pro that won a ton of races for years at my home track and even raced the 10 Grand Nationals at Norwalk in Ohio,at the same time of the Dirty Dozen and he also raced at the Winter series in Moroso. He also was double O every round. He told a good friend of mine he had a laser device pointed at the tree. And you know what, he use to own a Big money racers car that races right now. IHRA ACDELCO Canadian Nationals Top/et Iron man Champion  Don Davis 57 Corvette Super Gas roadster  SDPC Race Shop 582 Head Hunter on Alcohol | |||
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| DRR Elite |
so if it's cheap and a simple routine, I challenge you to build the system and demonstrate it in use. | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
Hate to bring it up but if there are "House Cars" don't you think that would be a reason they would not get checked. Or if they would get checked I highly doubt that the promoters "Tech Guy" would find anything on those cars or drivers. That's if you believe the old "House Car" theory  Any real inspection at one of these big money races would have to be done by an independent party that's not being paid by the promoter so that's probably not ever happening. | |||
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| DRR Elite |
there's no "IF" about house cars, the only question is how many are racing for the house on their dime. | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
Yep, 1320 knows | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Im with SL on this PAULEY to me it’s more of the tree...I feel my ole 10 yr old UNDERCOVER is one of the most consistent fast dragsters out there..but the tree It’s a different story | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
After reading the last few pages, I am so glad I never really got into big $$$ bracket racing. Even back in the 90's I came to the conclusion after running the Moroso 5 day a couple of times that the local "little guy" didn't stand much of a chance against the "touring pros" of big $$$ racing because they were very good at what they do largely because of the number of laps they run, week after week. Throw in some electronics that give them another advantage and it's just no contest. The "pros" were (and still are) basically making a living off of the little guys. Have I mentioned that I love my boat? 272" Spitzer 540 Chevy The Blower Shop XR1 FTI XPM Series Converter FTI Level 6 Powerglide 3.69@199 .916 60' 2017 Bradenton Heads Up Madness Open Outlaw Champ 2018 PDRA T/D #5 2019 PDRA T/D #2 2020 Retired From T/D Competition.... 2020 Bradenton NMCA Hemi Shootout Winner 2021 getting back into bracket racing with a Gen3 Hemi powered 87 Cutlass. | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
I questioned my engine builder/real good racer years ago on the same dial all day deal. I thought some cars must have been better than mine and wanted find "their" consistency. He told me most, including him at the time, shifted by time and moved shift points around just give the appearance of same dial all day. He showed me alot of "their" tricks with shift timers. All legal stuff. Now the cars are even better. | |||
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DRR Pro |
Its still done all the time... | |||
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| DRR Elite |
Doesn't anyone hold anymore?  Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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DRR Pro |
Crazy what people will do to win money. They amount of some of these purses defiantly will push cheaters and i will just call them criminals to be honest. "Just Shut Up and Race" Brian Martin Martin Racing 5.50 126 | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Originally posted by 1320racer: so if it's cheap and a simple routine, I challenge you to build the system and demonstrate it in use. This! For an incredibly long time now I have heard how easy and cheap it is to pull this off. Yet, no ever PROVES it. I'm told that is because there is no money in proving it, but there is PLENTY of money in doing it. Well, how about putting up some big bucks to prove it can be done? Show us how someone can make a car/driver "unbeatable". String 6 .00x packages together, without the benefit of a great driver. Just because I can't legally create these incredible performances doesn't mean that somebody else can't. My G*d, these are professionals. Not semi professionals, complete professionals. And by the way, don't we see just as many repeat big buck semifinalists in Footbrake as we do in Top? Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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| DRR Top Comp |
House cars are a conspiracy theory. Same as favoritism according to the number of tech card purchases, attendance.  Who'd want credit for something they didn't earn straight, I never got that. | |||
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| DRR Top Comp |
When officials fear the racers there is liberty. When the racers fear officials there is tyranny. First Principles. | |||
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