BobW, really??? Rain??? How much did you get???

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Originally posted by prest911:
if thats what you think!!

Ok, even if Matty boxes have progressed to the point of controlling the throttle down track they still wouldn’t be any worse than a delay box, which launches the car!

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Originally posted by Michael Donnelly:

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Originally posted by prest911:
if thats what you think!!

Ok, even if Matty boxes have progressed to the point of controlling the throttle down track they still wouldn’t be any worse than a delay box, which launches the car!

All a delay box does is hold the trans brake for a set amount of time once the button is let go. It is no different than a guy hitting the bottom bulb. The spot that a box racer hits in the top bulb is no different then a no-box racer hitting a spot in the bottom. It does not make you go .00x every hit or run dead on. Not sure what is so wrong about a delay box? The device mentioned above was a real time track locator that could make a car run the same number every run. I don't see the comparison.

I didn’t say there was anything wrong with a delay box! It’s perfectly legal in Top. I’m saying by the same logic Matty boxes should be legal!

And box racing is very different than no box racing. A lot of guys in the 10’s or better need a little hesitation after the bottom bulb which makes it tough to not only be accurate but consistent on your reaction. All a box guy has to do is be consistent! Hell, they don’t even need to worry about how human and vehicle reactions change from week to week. Just adjust the box! Much, much easier!!! Plus there is the second chance if you’re spotting a slow enough guy.

When the box reaches the dialed in time IT RELEASES THE TRANS BRAKE AND LAUNCHES THE VEHICLE! When it launches the vehicle it controls it! Most of the Matty boxes I’ve heard of don’t even do this. To my knowledge guys hook them up through the Tach and as long as the driver keeps the needle at the 12 o’clock position via adjusting the throttle he/she will run the dial.

I know guys that bottom bulb 9 second cars.. watched Randy Biddle Jr. do it last year.. Dont need to hesitate.. you need to learn how to adjust the car to you... Just a thought..
my bottom bulb car goes 10.40s. Plenty of options with buttons, springs, tire pressure, and shocks to make you go green as soon as you see it. P.M me if you need help.
Still have human error with a box... IMOP I dont think its any harder to adjust my no box car.. compared to reaching in and dialing in numbers..

I agree with Pink.. A matty box makes the car run on the dial with driveshaft and wheel sensors... Ask Prest.. He has mine!!

I don't have any problems taking my box out of my 8 second ride and hitting the tree just have to make a few simple changes in launch rpms and go to long travel button, I also stage a little different.

Boy I must be old fashion. I still use my two feet and two pedals to race. This whole time I have been working on the car to get it to repeat through tuning and all I need to gets is a matty box.

I know there are things that need to be done when a driver is running a Matty Box. There's stuff that needs programmed in when a car is prestaged. He would not be able to do this while wearing fire gloves.

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Originally posted by green1:
It would help if they did like Norwalk and Quaker, have a track personel putting cars in the lanes at the back and then pulling them front to back for racing. I never cared for being able to chose your lane when pulling into the lanes for racing and then after the lanes started to fill unevenly they put somebody back there forcing you into the other lane,either everybody gets to pick or nobody gets to pick.

OMG what about guys in top some can only run the right lane duh

Chuck,

Looks like I made a bad call on the weather. My recollection of the weather was that it did rain around the track but did not make it there. There were a couple other factors in my decision not to come out and play with you guys. Looks like rain for this weekend also, you might want to keep your rubber duck handy, lol. Hope to see you this weekend.

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Originally posted by Pro 301g:
I know guys that bottom bulb 9 second cars.. watched Randy Biddle Jr. do it last year.. Dont need to hesitate.. you need to learn how to adjust the car to you... Just a thought..
my bottom bulb car goes 10.40s. Plenty of options with buttons, springs, tire pressure, and shocks to make you go green as soon as you see it.

Transbrake buttons are pretty much just a poor man’s delay box and really shouldn’t be legal in Mod/Street/No Box. In fact they aren’t legal in races that are advertised as “footbrake” races. You take away the adjustable transbrake buttons and there’s much less you can do to adjust the reaction of the car. This then forces the driver to adjust his/her reaction to the car.

I don’t see what difference the effectiveness of a matty box means in whether they should be legal. A lot of guys in Top that run big dollar races have their delay boxes tuned in well enough to consistently hit .00x lights all day long! What difference is that compared to a well tuned matty box that can consistently run the dial .00x off every round?

Hey Mike, forget the Matty Box. Let's just go Mythbuster on your Stang and make it so you can stand at the finish and drive it, like a Drone. I'm sure we can find a dummy to strap in the seat. Could even leave it's shirt off so everyone thinks it's you.

Wait, Prest has a Matty Box? And he still can't win? He must be feeling the affects of the Obama plan. Times are tough all over.

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Originally posted by Michael Donnelly:
Transbrake buttons are pretty much just a poor man’s delay box and really shouldn’t be legal in Mod/Street/No Box. In fact they aren’t legal in races that are advertised as “footbrake” races. You take away the adjustable transbrake buttons and there’s much less you can do to adjust the reaction of the car. This then forces the driver to adjust his/her reaction to the car.

Have you ever used a trans-brake? Have you ever used a regular button vs. a long button? I trans-braked for 2 seasons...poor mans delay box? No more than the tach that is mounted on my dash or the tire pressure gauge laying on my passenger side floor. I footbrake now, I like being able to adjust on the fly. Feeling amped...bring it down on the converter a few RPM.

Should trans-brakes be legal? Sure...who cares. You mention Footbrake classes...well those are just that,FOOTBRAKE classes. If you don't like running with the trans-brake cars in MOD run street.

Bob, I had to tease you on it. And it's rubber duckY, thank you. But I'm hoping the forecast I saw this morning for Saturday holds.

Prest... thanks, thanks a lot.

A Biondo Terminator button is advertised to slow you down .045. It probably isn’t quite that smooth but I don’t care how loose your convertor is, adjusting launch RPM’s isn’t going to be anywhere near that!

And I, for one, don’t find much sport in slowing my car down and taking advantage of some street racers. I much more prefer to run Top just footbraking. But that’s just me!

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Originally posted by Michael Donnelly:
A Biondo Terminator button is advertised to slow you down .045. It probably isn’t quite that smooth but I don’t care how loose your convertor is, adjusting launch RPM’s isn’t going to be anywhere near that!

And I, for one, don’t find much sport in slowing my car down and taking advantage of some street racers. I much more prefer to run Top just footbraking. But that’s just me!

You don't think I can adjust my car .045? lol...ok.

Thats right...I forgot you won't even slow your car down enough to meet the roll bar rule.

Taking advantage of street cars...lol. Huge lack of respect right there. I know a few of those fine folks that would put you on the trailer REAL quick.

Correct, I don’t think you can.

Also correct. A lot of IHRA/NHRA rules are bogus. Running low 11’s at 120 mph on a drag strip, in a straight line is nowhere near as dangerous as riding my sport bike at the same speed around a road course, which is where I was last weekend.

There is nothing stopping them from running in Mod!

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Originally posted by Michael Donnelly:
Correct, I don’t think you can.

Also correct. A lot of IHRA/NHRA rules are bogus. Running low 11’s at 120 mph on a drag strip, in a straight line is nowhere near as dangerous as riding my sport bike at the same speed around a road course, which is where I was last weekend.

There is nothing stopping them from running in Mod!

Because YOU think IHRA/NHRA rules are bogus that gives you the right to ignore them?

Oh and I can stage my car from idle to 3500, front tires from 25-50 lbs of air and rear tires from 12-18 lbs of air, the combination of which I guarantee can be and IS worth .045.

Mark, dont waiste ur knowlegde. People that actually can race see what this is all about.. Maybe we need a grudge match!!! How many finals were you in footbraking last year?? Just gotta laugh!

P.s. If ur footbraking in Super Pro come and follow me in the lanes.. I'm terrible!!