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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
You don't mean as many vaccinated people have died as before the vaccine do you?

Zero vaccinated people died of covid prior to the vaccines becoming available.

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
You don't mean as many vaccinated people have died as before the vaccine do you?

Zero vaccinated people died of covid prior to the vaccines becoming available.

True. I I didn't do much of a job asking my question either. LOL

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
Holytown, you are correct about data skew. By both sides.

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Originally posted by Curly1:
They are saying that the new Omicron Variant of the Covid is very minor and and may give us life long immunity from further illness of Covid . MEANING ONCE YOU GET IT THEN YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER GET IT AGAIN FOR REST OF YOUR LIFE. With the previous variants we still do not know how long natural immunity lasts?
So the new variant may be one of the best things to happen since China released it.
If that is the case the end could be near of this Covid mess and it will not have anything at all to do with if you have been vaccinated or not.
Of course Dictator Biden will claim victory if it happens and say it was due to the Vaccine. It really looks like they do not want to end this pandemic and the power they have taken from us due to it.
Yet Common Sense (Remember that?) says even vaccinated people are getting sick from it and dying to ,
In the past when you got a vaccine they would give you a weakened strain of the virus and it would help your own immune system to fight it off. Similar to how most people are reacting to the new variant the Omicron strain. Yes some people will die from the weakened new variant but it may end up making Covid history. Through out history some have died from vaccines and it stands to reason that some will die from this new weaker Covid strain. This new variant may mark the end of the Pandemic.
Which brings us back to a question everyone should have been asking BEFORE we got vaccinated .
What about all of the people that got the Vaccine that they have hidden all of the results from the public for 77 years and have immunity from lawsuits yet they want to force it up in us?
If it was legitimate they would not hide the results and they would not be protected from lawsuits. And yet they are trying to force us to take it.........

Do you have a link to that claim? I just haven't seen or heard anything like that stated.

While true it is fractionally as many.

I thought you weren't going to get the vaccine? Or do you mean we as American people but not you?

Here is one. There are many but bottom line is people are still dying from Covid even if fully vaccinated. While supposedly dying at a lower rate than non vaccinated. This article said 40% of all Covid deaths recently were fully Vaccinated. My point there is the Vaccine does not Cure it. Does not stop you from getting it. And you can still die from it. May reduce the odds some but do not believe the Media and Dictator Biden that vaccine is the cure all.
https://wwmt.com/news/coronavi...vaccines-experts-say

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Originally posted by Larry Scarth:
Well it's been a year since the Vaccine was approved. Wow.....a year of pokes. Since this post started I have received 3 shots. 3 more and I get a Toaster!

I've had one, and the virus. About as many covid deaths after vaccine as before. Weird world.

As many people have died from covid since the vaccine has been available as died before the vaccine was available. It has not put much if any dent in the rate of deaths from covid overall in our population. If 60% plus of our population is vaccinated....shouldn't we see deaths plummeting? After all, a lot of those who are vaccinated are those who really needed the protection. Most of the vaccinated are adults. Few children are vaccinated. If you pull the children out of the equation, much more than 60% of adults are vaccinated. Where is the bright spot regarding these vaccines?

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Originally posted by Curly1:

Here is one. There are many but bottom line is people are still dying from Covid even if fully vaccinated. While supposedly dying at a lower rate than non vaccinated. This article said 40% of all Covid deaths recently were fully Vaccinated. My point there is the Vaccine does not Cure it. Does not stop you from getting it. And you can still die from it. May reduce the odds some but do not believe the Media and Dictator Biden that vaccine is the cure all.
https://wwmt.com/news/coronavi...vaccines-experts-say

Thanks for the link, Bruce.

You are correct, some people that are vaccinated will still die from Covid, but they are dying at a lower rate than the un-vaccinated.

That article does not say 40% of all Covid deaths were from fully vaccinated. Marjorie Taylor Greene said that.

The stats in that article are from the CDC.

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Originally posted by Bucky:


As many people have died from covid since the vaccine has been available as died before the vaccine was available. It has not put much if any dent in the rate of deaths from covid overall in our population. If 60% plus of our population is vaccinated....shouldn't we see deaths plummeting? After all, a lot of those who are vaccinated are those who really needed the protection. Most of the vaccinated are adults. Few children are vaccinated. If you pull the children out of the equation, much more than 60% of adults are vaccinated. Where is the bright spot regarding these vaccines?

Appreciate the clarification. Haven't death rates drop significantly since the vaccine was rolled out? What would you attribute that to? Part of it is from antibodies from having Covid I'm sure but I think the shot has helped, not stopped it.

One of the worst parts of all this, I believe, is still the fact that when the vaccine came out the government and the idiot Fauci touted it as a CURE.

I'm still not for mandates though. Just wanted to add that.

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
Haven't death rates drop significantly since the vaccine was rolled out?

Death rates spiked this summer across the board. Worse among the unvaccinated, but still a significant increase among the vaccinated. Of course the one variable completely ignored in the data is any combination of vaccinated or unvaccinated with prior infection. It's absolutely mind-boggling that so-called scientists routinely ignore this very basic but important variable.

https://ourworldindata.org/cov...eaths-by-vaccination

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One of the worst parts of all this, I believe, is still the fact that when the vaccine came out the government and the idiot Fauci touted it as a CURE.

I think it's important to note that the CDC has actually CHANGED the definition of "vaccination" over time, to lower and lower standards. I've probably posted it earlier in this thread somewhere.

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

prior infection. It's absolutely mind-boggling that so-called scientists routinely ignore this very basic but important variable.


I think it's important to note that the CDC has actually CHANGED the definition of "vaccination" over time, to lower and lower standards. I've probably posted it earlier in this thread somewhere.

Which I referenced.


You have posted that before.

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:

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Originally posted by Bucky:


As many people have died from covid since the vaccine has been available as died before the vaccine was available. It has not put much if any dent in the rate of deaths from covid overall in our population. If 60% plus of our population is vaccinated....shouldn't we see deaths plummeting? After all, a lot of those who are vaccinated are those who really needed the protection. Most of the vaccinated are adults. Few children are vaccinated. If you pull the children out of the equation, much more than 60% of adults are vaccinated. Where is the bright spot regarding these vaccines?

Appreciate the clarification. Haven't death rates drop significantly since the vaccine was rolled out? What would you attribute that to? Part of it is from antibodies from having Covid I'm sure but I think the shot has helped, not stopped it.

One of the worst parts of all this, I believe, is still the fact that when the vaccine came out the government and the idiot Fauci touted it as a CURE.

I'm still not for mandates though. Just wanted to add that.

How do you conclude that the death rates have dropped? More people have died from covid since Biden has been in office than died during Trumps time with covid. the rates could not have dropped all that much could they?

Based on what I am told by my medical family. I shouldn’t speak based only on what is happening in the hospitals around us I guess.

As far as how many have died under the current President, as much as I dislike him he has a longer time in office with this crap happening right?

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
Based on what I am told by my medical family. I shouldn’t speak based only on what is happening in the hospitals around us I guess.

As far as how many have died under the current President, as much as I dislike him he has a longer time in office with this crap happening right?

About the same time, it really hit early Feb and one of the main things is for most of that time under Trump there was no Vaccine.

Yes Dr. Fauchi presented it as a CURE as long as we were good little Peasants and did what we were told to.
Then he comes back and modifies it and says you can still get it even with vaccine but you still need to get the vaccine.

Biden has killed more people with the Vaccine than Trump did without it. Didn't biden say he would wipe Covid 19 off the map in his first year in office? How's that working out?

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Originally posted by Larry Scarth:
Biden has killed more people with the Vaccine than Trump did without it. Didn't biden say he would wipe Covid 19 off the map in his first year in office? How's that working out?

Actually when Dictator Biden was running he said if he was President at that time NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON WOULD HAVE DIED FROM COVID! Then he went on to say over 400,000 people died because of Trump's failed Leadership.

But then remember when he was running for the Nomination of the Democrat party he said "If Elected I will CURE CANCER" This was before Covid but I find it crazy that the people do not call him out on his lies.

CDC considering pulling vaccine due to side effects..

Dave

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Originally posted by David Covey:
CDC considering pulling vaccine due to side effects..

Dave

'Course no one seems to give a $#!% about repeated sharp stabbing chest pains from the Pfizer vaccine. Happened after both shots, consistently 12-15 hours after administered.

I mean, why would that be any cause for concern?

J&J has been the red headed stepchild of the vaccine world this entire time. Of course, fewer in congress are invested in J&J. So there's that.

I don't know how anyone else feels but since the efficacy of these vaccines, boosters, etc. are questionable at best and since the so-called 'health experts' are perfectly content to keep us on this endless cycle of vaccines and boosters and since our compliance with vaccines, boosters, masking and social distancing hasn't seemed to do a damned thing to reduce the spread of covid, I'm ready to take my chances and go back to living a normal life without vaccines, masks, etc. Who knows, we might even build up a natural immunity as we always have and Dr. Fauci will have to get a real job instead of living off the health hysteria he created.
We have become a nation of paranoid hypochondriacs.

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Originally posted by SS427IMP:
I don't know how anyone else feels but since the efficacy of these vaccines, boosters, etc. are questionable at best and since the so-called 'health experts' are perfectly content to keep us on this endless cycle of vaccines and boosters and since our compliance with vaccines, boosters, masking and social distancing hasn't seemed to do a damned thing to reduce the spread of covid, I'm ready to take my chances and go back to living a normal life without vaccines, masks, etc. Who knows, we might even build up a natural immunity as we always have and Dr. Fauci will have to get a real job instead of living off the health hysteria he created.
We have become a nation of paranoid hypochondriacs.

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One of the Doctors on TV last night was saying this new Omicron Variant may in effect save the World. It spreads more rapidly and is only Upper respiratory with very minor symptoms. It is when it gets into the lower Respiratory system that people are dying.

But it is giving those who have had the new variant very good immunity that may last a long time or even for rest of your life. This immunity may prove more helpful than any vaccine could be.

So it is acting more like a typical VACCINE than the disease. A typical vaccine they would give you a weakened strain and it helps your bodies natural immune system. This new vaccine they are forcing up us is different technology and obviously not working as good as they would like. Yet they are still pushing it. Why? They said as of last night only one person in the whole World has died from the new Omicron variant.

Dictator Biden yesterday said this Winter will be very bad with lots of Death and suffering for those not Vaccinated. He said for those who got the Vaccine nobody would die. Rather bold statement. Yet people who have been vaccinated are still getting sick and dying. And Dictator Biden is still lying about it. Dictator Biden said at the very first 100 days of wearing a mask and this will all be behind us. Then he said we must continue to wear mask and we were Unpatriotic if we did not wear the mask. Then he was pushing the Vaccine as the CURE. Now he is saying mask mandate and Social Distancing plus vaccine and boosters. Now he is blaming those few who are not vaccinated as the problem of everything in America from the Crime problem in all of the Democrat run cities to the Border problem. Yet on the Border problem he is not requiring all of those to get the Vaccine? Why are they exempt?

Some are saying that Congress and their families are exempt from Vaccine Mandate. They are saying that the drug manufacturers are exempt from the mandate. I can not verify that but if that is true that is a huge Red Flag and bigger Problem. I am also concerned that Dictator Biden has not said or done anything to China or our own NIH and Dr Fauchi who created the Covid. This is a Biological Warfare virus that was released on the World. Maybe accidentally or on purpose who knows but we do know it was lab created in Wuhan China with help from NIH and Dr. Fauchi. Another fact that bothers me is the same people who created the virus are pushing the vaccine. This is a pretty big red flag to me.

I am tired of our Government saying to do as I say and not as I do. And that those laws they stick up us do not apply to them.

They work for us and we are not Slaves to them.

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Some are saying that Congress and their families are exempt from Vaccine Mandate.

This is true. None of the 3 branches of government can dictate to the other. Now as for the mfg.'s....?