We are in Florida, have capitulated and got 1st shot because possible restrictions on later trips. So we are lab rats.

Questions I see after current semi rural county seems to infested now. ICUs and beds full? CDC shows 40% this morning. That does not sound like over 90% as stated in local news sources. Maybe those CDC numbers based on original staffing? Numbers that follow nothing more than propaganda pattern make me concerned.

I do not know how/why nothing adds up as we are buried in "Headline" type statements. I did notice little to no coverage of middle east withdrawal.

If I had to guess, Covid will replace standard seasonal flu. Masks better than nothing is now standard. The current spike looks a lot like vacations/kids returning to school flu/cold season.

Bottom line, you are first line of defense against anything like this. Keeping clean and stayong out of close contact has always been taught and is even more important now.

In back of mind there is something behind these events causing constant chaos. I have heard many theories but none really add up. Leaving people/weaponry behind makes zero sense along with South border issue.

Need to remove sources say and suggests from media reports. They add fuel to fire.

Also law must apply equal for everyone otherwise we are going to turn into wild west.

My attitude is who cares, lets go racing.

As long as there is no vaccine passport...

Who cares lets go racing.

No amount of thought or worry can change the script, without action.

Not all ICU beds are they capable of using for Covid. They just don't have enough rotoprone beds and things such as that, not to mention enough staff. I'm not trying to sound like an expert though. Just what I hear from my wife.

If you die after getting the injection, you died in vain.

If you die in defiance of taking the injection, you died for freedom.

It's as simple as that, you're as much a hero who fought and died for freedom, as anyone EVER.

Common sense

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...not to mention enough staff.

From what I hear, from practicing nurses themselves, is the number of beds (and the % there full) is a given ratio of staff to number of beds. If they only have 50% staff then they only count 50% of the physical beds on location as being available. I assume that's accurate but don't know for certain.

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
My attitude is who cares, lets go racing.

As long as there is no vaccine passport...

Who cares lets go racing.

No amount of thought or worry can change the script, without action.

I don't see this changing at all.I would like to make a prediction and I will check back on this thread in about a year.

I think it will be a requirement to have vaccine proof to enter your car in any kind of bracket race,test and tune,grudge event,etc.

I HOPE I am wrong,because I don't agree with this AT ALL,but I see a vaccine passport becoming reality in the not too distant future.
Joe will just say "Come On Man".

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Originally posted by 442OLDS:
I think it will be a requirement to have vaccine proof to enter your car in any kind of bracket race,test and tune,grudge event,etc.

That would prove they don't understand their customer base at all, wouldn't it?

No reason I can't sell all my racing stuff and buy a boat.

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Originally posted by SlyFox:

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Originally posted by 442OLDS:
I think it will be a requirement to have vaccine proof to enter your car in any kind of bracket race,test and tune,grudge event,etc.

That would prove they don't understand their customer base at all, wouldn't it?

No reason I can't sell all my racing stuff and buy a boat.

It's not the track owner.

The Government will mandate it through the insurance companies or some other means.
Even if a "Red State" says no way,the Federal Government will some how get involved.
At least that is the path that we are on now,until the next election.

And you can buy a boat,BUT if you want to put it into any kind of water,a vaccine passport will be required.

I just don't understand why it has become such an issue for some. We have the vaccine. It offers some protection from infection and the worst of symptoms. Thank you President Trump. But why anyone should be forced to take anything in order to carry on with their lives is beyond me. I don't care if they believe they will give birth to little green men if they get the vaccine. It's still their choice. Or should be.

So if your Boss says he wants to have sex with you if you want to keep your job it is bad.

But if he says he wants to stick a vaccine in you against your wishes it is Good?

Maybe I am wrong here but I think you should decide what you want stuck in your body. Just saying.

The fact that Dictator Biden and Kamala BOTH said before the "Election" that they would not be taking the Trump vaccine because it was not fully tested or FDA approved. After the "Election" they are both trying to force it up us. Which one is right? The one who said NOT to take it or the one who it trying to FORCE us to take it?

And if you take it because they say to what about FORCED sterilization? Are you okay with that because Big Government told you to? China did it.
This is not about Public Safety or they would not allow millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS into the Country with 40% infection rate.
This is about controlling us. So the question becomes how much control you going to give them? You feel free to bend over and take it I will not.

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Already hearing ins co $200 more prem if no shot...

You may be referring to Delta Airlines raising employee insurance contributions by $200/mo. if they don't have the jab by a given date.

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Originally posted by Curly1:
So if your Boss says he wants to have sex with you if you want to keep your job it is bad.

But if he says he wants to stick a vaccine in you against your wishes it is Good?

Maybe I am wrong here but I think you should decide what you want stuck in your body. Just saying.

The fact that Dictator Biden and Kamala BOTH said before the "Election" that they would not be taking the Trump vaccine because it was not fully tested or FDA approved. After the "Election" they are both trying to force it up us. Which one is right? The one who said NOT to take it or the one who it trying to FORCE us to take it?

And if you take it because they say to what about FORCED sterilization? Are you okay with that because Big Government told you to? China did it.
This is not about Public Safety or they would not allow millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS into the Country with 40% infection rate.
This is about controlling us. So the question becomes how much control you going to give them? You feel free to bend over and take it I will not.

Who are you replying to specifically here?

I work for a woman, soooo. LOL

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:

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Originally posted by Curly1:
So if your Boss says he wants to have sex with you if you want to keep your job it is bad.

But if he says he wants to stick a vaccine in you against your wishes it is Good?

Maybe I am wrong here but I think you should decide what you want stuck in your body. Just saying.

The fact that Dictator Biden and Kamala BOTH said before the "Election" that they would not be taking the Trump vaccine because it was not fully tested or FDA approved. After the "Election" they are both trying to force it up us. Which one is right? The one who said NOT to take it or the one who it trying to FORCE us to take it?

And if you take it because they say to what about FORCED sterilization? Are you okay with that because Big Government told you to? China did it.
This is not about Public Safety or they would not allow millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS into the Country with 40% infection rate.
This is about controlling us. So the question becomes how much control you going to give them? You feel free to bend over and take it I will not.

Who are you replying to specifically here?

I work for a woman, soooo. LOL

So, What's the problem? Lol. Seriously I just threw that absurdness out there to make people think where you draw the line.

Note: I am NOT condoning Sexual Harassment in the Workplace or forced sterilization.

I am down here in sunny Florida...we have a governor who is all about personal choice which I could not agree more with...as to the "numbers", I have tried to warn everyone about the CDC for a long time now...

Again, the CDC is a privately funded organization not tied to our gubment in any way...they are extremely liberal as are their largest donors...they do have a very liberal agenda which lines up with biden's administration...

To take any of the CDC's numbers at face value is a huge mistake...our guy has repeatedly called them out for reporting completely incorrect numbers which deliberately make Florida look bad...those of you who want to accept anything from the CDC, fine, but be warned...they are narrative driven so their reports are designed to support that narrative...

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Originally posted by fuzzy dice:
I am down here in sunny Florida...we have a governor who is all about personal choice which I could not agree more with...as to the "numbers", I have tried to warn everyone about the CDC for a long time now...

Again, the CDC is a privately funded organization not tied to our gubment in any way...they are extremely liberal as are their largest donors...they do have a very liberal agenda which lines up with biden's administration...

To take any of the CDC's numbers at face value is a huge mistake...our guy has repeatedly called them out for reporting completely incorrect numbers which deliberately make Florida look bad...those of you who want to accept anything from the CDC, fine, but be warned...they are narrative driven so their reports are designed to support that narrative...

What are the numbers for florida right now?

I am in central Florida, rural county of just over 100,000 people. The CDC rolling 7 day average of hosp/ICU beds used for Covid people is 43-44%. As previously stated this is nowhere near the full as stated in news reports. The ALF where in law tested positive for covid (minor stomach issue) has lifted a two week quarantine.

Like Fuzz says, we have a great Gov who follows traditional american values of self determination. I was always taught by my Pops that I could do anything as long as I did not break law, bother anyone else or violate community moral standards. The current government wants to intrude and control by using virus as a cause.

My wife (ret RN) said this virus would be very bad for some. So far she is right, know many that have had and it seems only those with types of underlying conditions have gotten seriously ill. The ones without just seem to shake it off.

The only overall certain defense we have is next November. Hopefully with legitamate election with voter ID.

Good post muggs.
It has been hard from the start of Covid to have factual conversations due to the data being reported in ways to fit narratives I'm afraid. Both sides are guilty of this.

But the constant...the thing that does not change, is that people's civil liberties, their rights should not be infringed upon. People should still have health choices and should not be shunned or their employment nor education affected. As Americans, many have lost this constant. That's scarier than any virus IMO

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Originally posted by muggs:
The only overall certain defense we have is next November. Hopefully with legitimate election with voter ID.

True statement.

As far as I can tell,it is the candidates that run under the "D" platform that are behind of of these mandates.

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Originally posted by muggs:
The only overall certain defense we have is next November. Hopefully with legitimate election with voter ID.



True statement.

As far as I can tell,it is the candidates that run under the "D" platform that are behind of of these mandates.

This is a disturbing analysis of the current state of affairs in America.

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Originally posted by Canted Valve:
This is a disturbing analysis of the current state of affairs in America.

Yes. This is very disturbing. Once upon a time 2 opposing parties competed for a degree of political domination. Now opposition is turning into enemy of traditional american values. I will complain to local legislators but little more I can do other than vote.

Even dems I know are not taking victory laps and regretting vote for. "Not my president" the empty head sock puppet.**

** = Though "Not my president" is not correct factually, the left has made it so popular that it may as well be used to express disdain. Goes along with the left allowing double standards and omitting accountability for their supporters. The sore loser, snowflake mentality is bad for america.