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This has me scratching head? Seems very clear cut, pre enter and take advantage of discount or not. Has anything really changed other than a possible big black friday discount? Has anyone actually been stiffed to justify questions?

The racers, like Fuzzy above that I know have had zero complaints with SFG events. Has something changed? When I pre enter I do not care where the money goes as long as event goes with original agreement. Refund policy? I either accept or not. House cars? I do not care, still have to win the round.

Unless someone has a legitamate issue I will be attending an SFG event soon. If car behaves this week like it did last Saturday, I will kick myself for not getting into Bradenton event.

I do not see any justification for 3 pages of discussion.
 
Posts: 3082 | Location: Florida | Registered: February 21, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I remember when Kyle Riley advertised his first big $ race here about 5 years ago, posting under the name of who's next. Many if not all of the questions Chris is asking now, most everyone that replied to his thread then were asking and if I remember correctly, like now those questions were never answered BUT Kyle Riley has proven his trustworthiness and in doing so, it is clear no one really cares about the answers to those questions, they just want to know where, when and for how much $ they will be competing for and they will come.

It's all about the $!

That said, I never liked the circus or Metallica.
 
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Well said Torqin. We all move on in different directions and speeds.
I have only been to two of his races and they were organized, ran far better than any LODRS circus I have been involved in and paid WAY BETTER.
Everyone has different expectations and circumstances. Glad everyone kept it pretty neat and clean on this thread.
Hope to meet some of you this year.

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As I have stated numerous times in other threads, no one competing in the NHRA LODRS is doing it for the money.
 
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Still a CIRCUS
 
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nah, maybe a petting zoo
 
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Originally posted by BG7X77:
I think the guy can do whatever he wants and SFG has changed bracket racing. However, I think it was a poor PR business decision to not answer the questions. As for house cars, again, I think that is another poor PR decision but it is his race he can do as he pleases.
At the end of the day I agree that if you dont want to participate, don't, but I think he could have made better PR decisions.


Probably best response to this thread. Like it or not this year we have had all kinds of businesses closed or shut down under guise of Covid "For our own Safety" If it clearly says "NO REFUNDS" and in light of Covid shutdowns I think Chris had some good questions. I think when they block you and ban you when you ask a simple question it makes you look bad. Yes, in the past it was ran well and paid out have no reason to expect anything different now. But this year is different than anything in History so understand asking questions.
As for "House Cars" I do not think it is right to have a vested interest in a car running in your race with money involved.


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This is exactly why this country is FK'D people walking around thinking they're god to decide right and wrong, and don't have a clue what laws of the universe decide right from wrong.

It's a right for anyone to put any racer in any race.

It's a wrong for anyone to take that right away from any human being, the same as any wrong.

Every wrong is theft, including stealing the right of anyone to put a racer in any race.

This is how this country ended up with all these stupid nit wit laws which have destroyed freedom.

Stealing the rights of people, is a far more significant crime than robbing a bank.
 
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Any opinion in which wrong doesn't include theft, is invalid.

This is why you fight tooth & nail for your God given rights.

As soon as rights are subjective by law. Every last human not in the Kingship deciding class, is FK'd.
 
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Any opinion in which wrong doesn't include theft, is invalid.

This is why you fight tooth & nail for your God given rights.

As soon as rights are subjective by law. Every last human not in the Kingship deciding class, is FK'd.


If there is money handed over for a service there should be a guarantee on refund, safety of the money provided or guarantee of service.

Perception drives reality (right wrong or indifferent). Answering the question about house cars just provides clarity for all the other racers that are involved. Betting on your own team when you can make decisions on the outcome, whether it happens or not.

Having it documented about splits in the business world when it involves the promoter is a valid question. Kyle should have taken this as an opportunity to clarify his position and how it operates in his environment as Loose Rocker and Cumming's did on their posts. It was a statement that clarified a question.

Not doing that, throwing up the race card and hanging up on someone is bad perception in the business world and could hurt him in the future with his customers (racers). Yes we can still enter at the gate to resolve one of the questions, but the others still remain and would be input into peoples decisions to attend or not attend.

Again, it was a perfect opportunity for Kyle to get those questions answered for everyone to hear, see and make their own decision on.


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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
Any opinion in which wrong doesn't include theft, is invalid.

This is why you fight tooth & nail for your God given rights.

As soon as rights are subjective by law. Every last human not in the Kingship deciding class, is FK'd.


If there is money handed over for a service there should be a guarantee on refund, safety of the money provided or guarantee of service.

Perception drives reality (right wrong or indifferent). Answering the question about house cars just provides clarity for all the other racers that are involved. Betting on your own team when you can make decisions on the outcome, whether it happens or not.

Having it documented about splits in the business world when it involves the promoter is a valid question. Kyle should have taken this as an opportunity to clarify his position and how it operates in his environment as Loose Rocker and Cumming's did on their posts. It was a statement that clarified a question.

Not doing that, throwing up the race card and hanging up on someone is bad perception in the business world and could hurt him in the future with his customers (racers). Yes we can still enter at the gate to resolve one of the questions, but the others still remain and would be input into peoples decisions to attend or not attend.

Again, it was a perfect opportunity for Kyle to get those questions answered for everyone to hear, see and make their own decision


It's the promoters right to remain silent. Do I think it's unreasonable for the promoter to not answer reasonable questions? Yes, very unreasonable.

" Betting on your own team when you can make decisions on the outcome, whether it happens or not".

This statement ^^^ is a slippery slope, because next it'll be a conflict of interest to sponsor a car in a race, the sponsor also sponsors.

Rights can police everything on a case by case basis, if no track, promoter, sponsor is above the law for the so-called better good of drag racing.

Or above the law for any other reason any given idiot could rationalize like for instance loyalty. Loyalty when there's theft involved according to the evidence, isn't loyalty, it's identity politics.

Again, rights can police everything, if no one is above the law.
 
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House cars are not a problem in reality, as long as no track, promotor or sponsor is above the law.

 
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NHRA makes me enter a national event more than 30 days before the event. I'm also unable to get a refund and only a transfer to another event. Currently they have a national event entry of mine from the Spring Vegas national (covid), should I be mad?

Let me tell you this about SFG, my business produces all the event shirts for Kyle's events since day 1 of SFG. Even after events that were troubled by weather and lower car counts, not once has Kyle failed to settle his bill with my company. I was on the west coast and hadn't met Kyle in person for the first 3 or 4 years of our working relationship. This would have made it real easy for him to string me along after bad events. I was finally able to meet him at his event in Tucson this time last year. With a horrible forecast for the weekend and a double 50K payday on the line, Kyle ran the event as scheduled and paid the advertised purse. This was all with I think less than 150 cars on property due to the horrible weather. Most promoters would have been looking for the gate on Thursday, but he stuck it out, paid what was promised, and took the loss.
 
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fixed it for you....

NHRA requires me to enter a national event by noon the Monday before the event, which is 3 days before the start of the event so as to issue event credentials and finalize competitor entry lists for each class. I also have to withdraw by the same Monday at noon before the event if I elected to register for an event earlier than the deadline due to car/class quotas, to get a credit towards another event, so as not to count against my National event points score. Currently I have a national event entry credit from the Spring Vegas national (covid). NHRA Divisional events have no early registration option or quotas therefore everyone pays at the gate on race day and if I decide not to show up till Friday or even 7am Saturday morning, I may have to park in the weeds, dirt, mud, should I be mad?
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?...-pw&feature=youtu.be


The Going Bracket Racing guys just did a live stream on this subject. Thought it was kind of interesting.
 
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never heard of either of these guys, everyone has an opinion.

Pre entries will continue until the majority of racers refuse to pay. Running big $ gambler races is not an entitlement and many of the racers that support these events not only can't afford to compete at these events but will never see a final round.

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I thought they did a pretty good job of talking through both sides. Kind of interesting.
 
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just two guys with an opinion, means nothing to the racers supporting these big $ gambler races or the promotors putting on these events.
 
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Never heard of them. On the other hand Kyle bought me a Burger King Whopper once. What’s not to like?
 
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here's what going to happen next year barring marshal law, a nation wide shutdown, zombie apocalypse or nuclear holocaust, SFG will have record or near record attendance at all their events.
 
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