We were told not to bring phones to staging lanes at DARLINGTON...you know some of these gurus can figure something out on them with gps already installed

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Originally posted by Big Steve:
When there is as much money involved as there is now days in bracket racing people are going to find a way to cheat thats a givin.

Now as far as a tree sensing device tied to your delay box, I guess that would be possible but man there would be allot of variables involved, what lane your in, sun light, darkness of night, brightness of the tree just to name a few...

I would guess helmet mounted, with an indicator showing that it is aimed at the stage lights. Trigger when both stage lights are on, and it senses the next light. Complete speculation on my part. It's probably way more refined than that.

Most on here never raced all over the East against the “dirty dozen” like I did. To this day I feel that group stole a ton of money from other racers with impunity. I talked to some of them at big races. I suspected something but didn’t know what. But I watched and knew that somehow the one I watched most would run dead on most of the time but reactions varied. You had to beat them on the tree. For a while none of them showed up at big races or IHRA races but were welcomed by NHRA. Some are still out there. A leopard never changes its spots. Now we may have a few new cats.

I remember this but I don't remember what they were doing.

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Originally posted by green1:
And why would I do that???
I don’t know what you look like but did see your driver go red against Torquin.

I am standing at the starting line right next to my son on every pass but you knew that already. As I suspected, you're a big mouth here but got nothing in person. Me, the first person I went to see on Thursday was none other than TORQIN. A crowd drew quick expecting at any minute we'd be rolling around in the mud.

That said, Chris and I ain't ever going to agree on whose tires are the best and maybe several other things but he was friendly and even fed me some brisket one night.

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Since Green light is quite a bit lower in spectrum frequency than either amber or red it would be possible to create two light frequency sensitive sensors (one for left lane and one for right lane). By adding a adjustable timer circuit from 0-2 seconds you could either top or bottom bulb race with it. The trick would be getting this interfaced into the delay box or transbrake without detection.

The technology is out there, where 20 years ago it was not as available nor as accurate as it is now.

The only defense for track operators is to have someone on their tech staff well versed in racing electronics. Someone with a general electronics background is never going to catch most of this stuff.

there is no reason for track operators/promoters to hire such a person, it goes against the entire premise of gamblers races.

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Originally posted by Joe Burkleo:
The only defense for track operators is to have someone on their tech staff well versed in racing electronics. Someone with a general electronics background is never going to catch most of this stuff.

On their what?

I'm sorta surprised at the uproar to be honest. I normally check drag story result pages after these events to see how buddies did and routinely see people tattooing the tree and run same dial every pass. Just sorta figured thats the new standard.

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Originally posted by 1320racer:

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Originally posted by green1:
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Me, the first person I went to see on Thursday was none other than TORQIN. A crowd drew quick expecting at any minute we'd be rolling around in the mud.

That said, Chris and I ain't ever going to agree on whose tires are the best and maybe several other things but he was friendly and even fed me some brisket one night.

Thats really cool, glad to see you guys finally got together and I bet because you did, both have more respect for each other now.

I have no doubt that the technology is there to do something with a tree sensing device.

Some people,however,are pretty good and their car works equally as well.They make hundreds and hundreds of passes a year.

I guess my only question would be this:
If you thought somebody was cheating,why would you even go to these events where they may be?

Mine was done by the guys at Skully, here is how they got started way back in 2013 . All you do is like a jet fighter screen lock on ... haha

check out this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iil2qldboBE

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Originally posted by 1320racer:

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Originally posted by green1:
And why would I do that???
I don’t know what you look like but did see your driver go red against Torquin.

I am standing at the starting line right next to my son on every pass but you knew that already. As I suspected, you're a big mouth here but got nothing in person. Me, the first person I went to see on Thursday was none other than TORQIN. A crowd drew quick expecting at any minute we'd be rolling around in the mud.

That said, Chris and I ain't ever going to agree on whose tires are the best and maybe several other things but he was friendly and even fed me some brisket one night.

So you went to his pit spot and introduced yourself to him but couldn’t ride your golf cart to my spot and introduce yourself to me. It’s a two way street so it doesn’t make you any better than me. People who don’t treat me like **** know what kind of person I am but you will never find out. Also just Incase you didn’t know on Sunday I took the new armature out of my spare Meziere pump and installed it in a fellow racers pump to get him fixed up, yep Mezieres do fail too.

I doubt its super new. I have noticed some drivers go consistent .005 o better for 7 ot 8 rounds. Now I know some are good but damn at least do it like hustling pool.Which I know nothing about. Maybe kill it 2 or 3 and throw a half azz bulb out once and while.

I am glad to see that OP is someone that a lot of folks will give more credit to than normal when one of us nobody bring up question.

1. didn't know you were there
2. haven't treated you anyway which way
3. I along with 398 other racers didn't know or care nor have I ever stated Meziere water pumps don't fail they just don't fail anywhere near CSR junk
4. you saw my trailer, cars and me.

if I had idea how to do it and no pride in winning myself. I would guess a set of head lights would be ideal location to hide a sensor.Just a guess.

a few Bracket Talk posters did come by an introduce themselves...markemark, BarneyB who I met previously and another who thanked me for my frank and honest opinions and advice, whose screen name I didn't get.

You too and thanks. I put a lot of hours into it over the past 2 years getting it setup for Top Bulb and Pro Tree racing. Relieved everything works as it should.

I want to ask this question. Many yrs ago it was rumored that a certain , well sponsored yellow( firebird) ? from way out on the northwest coast had some suspicious things going on. I believe this car competed in a 90 class and mostly at Div and Nat. events. Anyways rumors had been flying so at the next event there was some sort of infra red wave set up in front of the tree. This racer stages up and believe it or not his car launches without the tree being activated. This car did not make another attempt all weekend. Is there any truth to this story ? Didnt want to use names because I wasnt certain.

The Dallas/Ft Worth Metro area is home to many job shops. Aerospace, medical, computers, General Dynamics, Bell Helicopter, Texas Instruments, Lockheed-Martin, and many more. The stories have been out for years about such a device and I expect the technology exists in DFW to build it.

Look for crew members with "cameras" on the starting line. The sensor is not in the car.