i understand where your coming from mike.
i to beleive government is to big.
but i also know the inside numbers.
i know most republicans beleive that government is smaller when they are incharge.
the fact is government employment has shrank under the democrats.
using U.S.Office of Personnel Mangement numbers

federal government nonmilitary employees SHRANK BY 8,000 EMPLOYEES UNDER CARTER!
When Reagan took office there were 2,875,000 federal employees.
when he handed over the keys to Bush there were 3,113,000!
yep if you hate Obama for adding ferderal jobs you must really hate Reagan! thats a 238,000 increase for good ol ronnie!
Bush managed to shave off 30,000 by the end of his term.
but hold on to your head before it explodes Clinton reduced federal employees by 380,000!
but by the end of BusH jr's term he had added 53,000 to the payrolls.

By the end of 2010 the US STILL HAD LESS FEDERAL EMPLOYEES THAN WE DID IN 1980!
When bush jr left office there were 2,756,00 employees.
In 2010 Obama ended the year with 2,840,000 and it looks like 2011 will end up about the same.

kinda shocking huh!

please take a close look at the jobs gained chart i posted before and then look at the REAL federal jobs numbers and ask yourself why you thought it was the other way around?

who is the real small government party?

why THANK YOU DC!
see i wont run from the word socialism!

I thank you for putting my friends and i in that catagory with the VERY FIRST SOCIALIST!
JESUS!

I'll use Jesus own words. you do believe in the word,dont you?

Mark 10:21-25
Jesus looked at him and loved him."one thing you lack,"he said."Go,sell everything you have and give to the poor,and you will have treasure in heaven.Then come,follow me.At this the man's face fell.He went away sad,because he had great wealth.Jesus looked around and said to his disciples,"How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!" The disciples were amazed at his words.But Jesus said again,"Children,How hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

yea i'm a socialist!

Democrats don't understand THE DEBT CEILING.

Republicans don't understand THE DEBT CEILING.

Liberals don't understand THE DEBT CEILING.

Allow me to explain:

Let's say, you come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood.

Your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings.

What do you think you should do?

Raise the ceilings or pump out the ****?

Your choice is coming next November.

Don't miss the opportunity.

willie your the best!
thanks for bringing up the debt!
if you add up all the national debt from george washington to jimmy carter which would enclude the monies borrowed for the american revolution,the civil war,WW1,WW2,Korea and Vietnam it was 909.1 billion dollors total.

what did Reagan do with the economy?
when he left office the debt was 2.6 trillion!

Reagan almost tripled the debt,Bush 41 doubled it.Clinton reduced the debt and Bush 43 doubled it again.

hmm havent we had enough of republican economics?

http://www.skymachines.com/US-...Presidental-Term.htm

As the outright bald faced lies just keep spewing from duped boob RETARD #3!
The national debt when the rapist slithered into the Oval office on 1/20/1993 was $4,100,000,000,000.00 and when he left in shame on 1/20/2001 the national debt was $5,700,000,000,000.00! IS THAT LESS???????????????
The debt would have been mucho higher if the REPUBLICANS hadn't controlled the purse strings for 6 of the rapists 8 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Much of the debt incurred by President Bush was having to rebuild the decimated military the rapist left! Just as much of President Reagans debt was rebuilding peanut jimmy's blundering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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what did Reagan do with the economy?

It boomed! But on the other hand after Carter screwed it up anyone(even You) would have made it boom.

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The debt would have been mucho higher if the REPUBLICANS hadn't controlled the purse strings for 6 of the rapists 8 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sooo...the Republican controlled congress increased the national debt? What is the argument here?

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ohh komrad so wrong AGAIN!
What did i post? Clinton reduced the debt?
remember all that Clinton budget surplus? Clinton paid down the national debt by $452 billion. ohh got ya AGAIN!

And then you give credit to the republicans?
you never saw school house rocks did you?
they explain how bill's become a bill with a real simple and entertaining cartoon format you might be able to follow along with. check it out on you tube.
And you to will find out how a bill becomes a bill.
you see the weird thing is a bill has to start in the house.and then it go's to the senate. and you see before it can become law this guy called the president has to sign it.
weird i know.
so you see the guy at the top has to take responsibility for what he signs. agian weird i know.
so tell us why the guy at the top from 1980 to 1988 almost tripled the debt?why did the guy at the top from 1988 to 1992 double the debt? yes the debt went up under Clinton BUT HE ALSO PAID IT DOWN!.And why did the guy from 2000-2008 double the debt again?

And then you show your complete lack of following along in class? DC posted a chart that showed how Nixion REDUCED the militarys budget EVERY year he was in office. wernt we at war then? And Ford did the same? but you go right ahead and blame jimmy for a continuation of 12 years of republican defence budget decline policy and put all that on jimmys 4 years.

And why would you blame Clinton? Reagan reduced the military budget every year of his last term! and then Bush 41 reduced it every year of his term!
you might get your facts straight their drunken pill buddy and check out the facts that Clinton increased his miltary budget his last three years after he CONTINUED the 8 year slide he inheriated from the TWO republicans.

dont you get tired of always being wrong? huh short bus?

Maybe there's aduped boob IMBECILE somewhere that will fall for this bull shyt!

ahh poor billy!
you cant back up your opinion?
so sorry the facts are getting in the way with your backward thinking.

hey cliff klaven,i'll help you since your track record with the facts is so poor try this...
what ever your mind conjures up,type the OPPOSITE i'll bet your average go's from ZERO to at least 50 percent!

no no dont thank me! i'm all about helping rainmen like your self!

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Originally posted by daytonchoppers:
why THANK YOU DC!
see i wont run from the word socialism!

I thank you for putting my friends and i in that catagory with the VERY FIRST SOCIALIST!
JESUS!

I'll use Jesus own words. you do believe in the word,dont you?

Mark 10:21-25
Jesus looked at him and loved him."one thing you lack,"he said."Go,sell everything you have and give to the poor,and you will have treasure in heaven.Then come,follow me.At this the man's face fell.He went away sad,because he had great wealth.Jesus looked around and said to his disciples,"How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!" The disciples were amazed at his words.But Jesus said again,"Children,How hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

yea i'm a socialist!

Well, You’re Welcome..
I do believe, just don't practice. I also don't use the word in an attempt to force/coerce others to my will.. Just like Jesus didn't force anyone to believe.

First why socialist, marxist, and communist claim belief in Jesus I have no clue? Second, when you first came out here on this site, you claimed to be a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.. So you either are confused or not completely truthful in your analyst of yourself.

And Third, Since you are willing to use Jesus and God to support your views, you need to site the passage from the Bible were either said government had the right or obligation to take what others have earned and give it away.

Seems to me everything I've read and admittedly that isn't much. But according to the passage you posted Jesus told the guy to go sell everything and GIVE it to the poor. I didn’t see where he said I'm taking everything you have and giving it to the poor.

How are you misinterpreting what Jesus said? Why are you confusing someone giving from the goodness of their heart to someone taking what they didn't earn to give to those who do not deserve?

Liberals/Socialist are always picking and choosing lines or words from a speech or passage if for no other reason than to support what they want others to think or believe.

Instead of comparing apples to oranges you would have been better off just saying the last sentence of your post and left it at that..

Pay attention to what I've bolded to find out what the conversation was about.

The rest of the story in context.

Mark 10:17-31

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The Rich and the Kingdom of God

17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[d]”

20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”

24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is[e] to enter the kingdom of God!

25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

26 The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”

27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”

28 Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!”

29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel. 30 will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life.

31 But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”

Seems to me Jesus was talking more about GIVING than TAKING.

And I agree you are a socialist because they are the first to take from everyone and attempt to make everyone except themselves equal. Socialist are always for spreading everyone else’s wealth..

So, when are you selling everything and following Jesus?

I prefer the hand up to the hand out method personally.. I am a social conservative.."•Limiting welfare spending by creating economic opportunities for America’s needy"

Dave

Hawker Beechcraft Sues U.S. Over Aircraft Contract Exclusion

Obama Administration Sends Weapons Contract to Foreign Company with Ties to Iran

Perhaps someone would explain how this helps our economy??

Dave

DC i yam a what i said i yam and now i'll eat my spinich and you can enjoy some REAL TRUTH!

http://media.mtvnservices.com/...p%3dentertainment%26

Ahh DC i love your twist on beechcraft.
dig back through my posts and get the facts.

ties to iran huh?
I know something about that!
gee i wonder what our government had me doing during my career?
I got to spend all this quality time on vacation in south america! it was great! lots of jungle to hang out in,insects as big as hueys and eating bad c-rats. but the best part was these great guys we were there to train,you might have heard of them they called them selfs "contras"

man they hated cleaning their weapons! always dragging them around in the mud,and boy did they suck at poker!
i havent gotten one christmas card from those guys?
man seems like yesterday my buddy geno hasenfus got caught by the Nicaraguans and rolled over on us guys who were working there!

GOOD TIMES!
yea i know a little about Iranian ties.

So komrad YOU AGREE Reagan almost tripled the debt!
your coming around buddy!

did you have your shoes off to count that high?

How about Bush 41 DOUBLING THE DEBT?
How about bush 43 DOUBLING THE DEBT?

i would think that after Reagan,Bush 41,Bush 43 and their republican agenda that Reagan started you would be happy that Obama is continuing REPUBLICAN POLICY?

quote:

Originally posted by daytonchoppers:
DC i yam a what i said i yam and now i'll eat my spinich and you can enjoy some REAL TRUTH!

http://media.mtvnservices.com/...p%3dentertainment%26

COLBERT!!!

LMFAO..

Your cred just hit the basement with me..

Sorry, but if you are going to quote that as truth.. I'm done..

Dave

Your the best dave! I need somebody that can keep my feet to the fire!

that was some funny **** huh!

quote:

Originally posted by daytonchoppers:
Ahh DC i love your twist on beechcraft.
dig back through my posts and get the facts.

ties to iran huh?
I know something about that!
gee i wonder what our government had me doing during my career?
I got to spend all this quality time on vacation in south america! it was great! lots of jungle to hang out in,insects as big as hueys and eating bad c-rats. but the best part was these great guys we were there to train,you might have heard of them they called them selfs "contras"

man they hated cleaning their weapons! always dragging them around in the mud,and boy did they suck at poker!
i havent gotten one christmas card from those guys?
man seems like yesterday my buddy geno hasenfus got caught by the Nicaraguans and rolled over on us guys who were working there!

GOOD TIMES!
yea i know a little about Iranian ties.

What twist??

I asked for explaination. Now I'm twisting?

Seems you are the one doing the twisting. According to what I read Brazil has been helping Iran, with it's uranium problems.

Soro's has his fingers in different pies which Nobama keeps sending money to.

Contracts that would produce jobs that are needed here are being given to a foriegn company, partially owned or at least controlled by by someone who has manipulated the collapse of at least one countries currencies.

What about sending money there to support their drilling for oil instead of letting our own companies drill? (edit: a soros company)

Ya know, for someone claiming the democrats policies are so good and all, you need to explain to me how just those two instances are good, and create jobs here at home..

I'm just a dumb ole country boy, who hasn't sat in jungles and such that can't see the trees for the forest..

Dave

the weird thing komrad is that YOU have NEVER shown proof i lied about ANYTHING!
you have been proven wrong so many times by myself i've lost count! what is it...big brain buckeye 282 and komrad 0?

just one komrad please post just one single post of mine that is false that you can back up with a link.

surely you can do it at least 1 time cant you?

i've proven you to be a liar 282 times with links WHY CANT YOU?