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Last year the extent of sea ice in the Arctic reached a record low that could be surpassed in the next few weeks,

Bob, is your article talking about sea ice here?

Bob, that's 3 years old.

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Last year the extent of sea ice in the Arctic reached a record low that could be surpassed in the next few weeks,

Bob, is your article talking about sea ice here?

This is from my article.

Average temperatures in the Arctic region are rising twice as fast as they are elsewhere in the world. Arctic ice is getting thinner, melting and rupturing. For example, the largest single block of ice in the Arctic, the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf, had been around for 3,000 years before it started cracking in 2000. Within two years it had split all the way through and is now breaking into pieces.

The polar ice cap as a whole is shrinking.

Images from NASA satellites show that the area of permanent ice cover is contracting at a rate of 9 percent each decade. If this trend continues, summers in the Arctic could become ice-free by the end of the century.

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Bob, that's 3 years old.

No shiott sherlock and there has been no contradictions since.

Are you trying to imply NASA don't know what they are talking about?

So, whats your point?

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Average temperatures in the Arctic region are rising twice as fast as they are elsewhere in the world

Then why is NASA saying this year the sea ice shows some growth, wouldn't that melt too?

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Average temperatures in the Arctic region are rising twice as fast as they are elsewhere in the world

Then why is NASA saying this year the sea ice shows some growth, wouldn't that melt too?

Every year it does melt but its the Polar Ice cap is where it has been irreversable.

Is this from your link???

.......Monthly irregularities in ice area from November 1978 to February 2008 are shown. The overall trend is -4.4 percent per decade but there appears to be an acceleration in the decline from 1996 to 2008. The trend from 1978 to 1996 (in green) is shown to be -3 percent per decade while that from 1996 to 2008 (in blue) was -10.7 percent per decade.

Bob, I give you a lot of credit. I gave up trying to use any sense on these people.

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I gave up trying to use any sense on these people.

How you doing over at yellow bullet? Having better luck?

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I gave up trying to use any sense on these people.

How you doing over at yellow bullet? Having better luck?

On the same subject I gave up on them too. But they are a lot more fun to pick on, lol.

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I give you a lot of credit. I gave up trying to use any sense on these people

Dont you really mean that you bought into the goverment BS and the rest of us didnt. Oh but wait, you once posted that cow dont fly at 3000 feet and Greg had to remind you that cars dont either.

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Bob, I give you a lot of credit. I gave up trying to use any sense on these people.

Jeremy, How can you talk any sense to these ppl when they are having issues being in a mental recession.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/29/antarctic.i....collapse/index.html



Scientists have identified new rifts on an Antarctic ice shelf that could lead to it breaking away from the Antarctic Peninsula, the European Space Agency said.
A satellite image of the Wilkins Ice Shelf, which could break away from the Antarctic Peninsula.

A satellite image of the Wilkins Ice Shelf, which could break away from the Antarctic Peninsula.

The Wilkins Ice Shelf, a large sheet of floating ice south of South America, is connected to two Antarctic islands by a strip of ice. That ice "bridge" has lost around 2,000 square kilometers (about 772 square miles) so far this year, the ESA said.

A satellite image captured November 26 shows new rifts on the ice shelf that make it dangerously close to breaking away from the strip of ice -- and the islands to which it's connected, the ESA said.

Scientists first spotted rifts in the ice shelf in late February, and they noticed further deterioration the following week. The period marks the end of the South Pole summer and is the time when such events are most likely, said Ted Scambos, a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado in Boulder.

Before the new rifts were spotted this week, the last cracks were noticed July 21.

"These new rifts, which have joined previously existing rifts on the ice shelf, threaten to break up the chunk of ice located beneath the 21 July date, which would cause the bridge to lose its stabilization and collapse," said Angelika Humbert, a scientist from Germany's Muenster University who spotted the cracks with Matthias Braun of the University of Bonn.
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Wilkins is the size of the state of Connecticut, or about half the area of Scotland. It is the largest ice shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula yet to be threatened.

If the ice shelf breaks away from the peninsula, it will not cause a rise in sea level because it is already floating, scientists say.

Scambos said the ice shelf is not currently on the path of the increasingly popular tourist ships that travel from South America to Antarctica. But some plants and animals may have to adapt to the collapse.

The ice shelf had been stable for most of the past century before it began retreating in the 1990s.

Several ice shelves -- Prince Gustav Channel, Larsen Inlet, Larsen A, Larsen B, Wordie, Muller and Jones -- have collapsed in the past three decades, the British Antarctic Survey said.

Scientists say the western Antarctic peninsula -- the piece of the continent that stretches toward South America -- has warmed more than any other place on Earth over the past 50 years, rising by 0.9 degrees Fahrenheit each decade.

Funny, the Farmers Almanac has far more accurate than the people you talk about.

L8R, Mike


LMAO.... I don't know Jeremy, the Farmers Almanac didn't carry that story.
It must not be true.....
lol

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Bob, I give you a lot of credit. I gave up trying to use any sense on these people.

Jeremy, How can you talk any sense to these ppl when they are having issues being in a mental recession.

You don't!! It's as simple as that, lol. If people are unwilling to at least consider the possibilities, then it's pretty much a waste of time. If science can't help them to accept it, a couple of guys on a public forum certainly won't do it.

Just a minor discrepancy to point out in these politically motivated hacks "science??????????"!!!!!!!!!!
A few posts above this it says the Arctic has been warming twice as fast as other places on the earth, then the whackados in the Antarctic say the Antarctic has warmed more then anywhere else!!!!!!!!!!
Will one of you algore worshippers clear this obvious boondoggle up for the people not duped by him?????????????

OH, and the mental recession was confined to the socialist liberal kooks that bought into the socialist donkies and msmm's talking down a vibrant economy, not the conservatives!!!!!!!!!

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You don't!! It's as simple as that, lol. If people are unwilling to at least consider the possibilities

So does that mean you 2 are done posting.

Ah Bob, the 1st name is Mike and the last name is English. Sorry to disappoint you but I'm not Cliff and I'm not the only person on here that works at a dealership

Whatever you say Cliff...errrr Mike.

LOL

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Whatever you say Cliff...errrr Mike.

Mike, change your signature to Cliff and I'll change mine to Mike and we'll keep the Clown happy with his little game.

IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming
Monday, November 17, 2008

Climate scientists allied with the IPCC have been caught citing fake data to make the case that global warming is accelerating, a shocking example of mass public deception that could spell the beginning of the end for the acceptance of man-made climate change theories.

On Monday, NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), run by Al Gore’s chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

“This was startling,” reports the London Telegraph. “Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China’s official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its “worst snowstorm ever”. In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.”

It soon came to light that the data produced by NASA to make the claim, and in particular temperature records covering large areas of Russia, was merely carried over from the previous month. NASA had used temperature records from the naturally hotter month of September and claimed they represented temperature figures in October.

When NASA was confronted with this glaring error, they then attempted to compensate for the lower temperatures in Russia by claiming they had discovered a new “hotspot” in the Arctic, despite satellite imagery clearly showing that Arctic sea ice had massively expanded its coverage by 30 per cent, an area the size of Germany, since summer 2007.

The figures published by Dr Hansen’s institute are one of the primary sets of data used by the IPCC to promote its case for man-made global warming and they are widely quoted because they consistently show higher temperatures than other figures.

“Yet last week’s latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen’s methodology has been called in question,” reports the Telegraph. “In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.”

Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC and a close ally of Hansen, also raised eyebrows recently during a presentation in Australia, during which he claimed that global temperatures have recently been rising “very much faster” than ever as he cited a graph showing purported temperature increases over the last decade. In fact, as even the vast majority of man-made global warming advocates will concede, temperatures since 1998 have moved sideways and over the last 18 months they have clearly begun a downward trend.

Whether such “mistakes” are made in genuine error or are part of a politicized push for man-made global warming to be universally accepted, and the evidence clearly suggests that latter is the case, the fact is that we can no longer tolerate the cry that “the debate is over” on man-made global warming in light of such gargantuan falsehoods.

Likewise, the push for carbon emissions to be reduced by 80 per cent or more, a figure that would completely cripple western economies and lower living standards to a near third world level, can no longer be accepted as a reasonable course of action now that the primary authority on man-made global warming, the UN IPCC, has been proven to be using fraudulent data to make its case.

Foisted upon the public by means of giant multi-million dollar PR campaigns and brainwashing mandates that have worked themselves into every sector of society, including education, movies, television the arts and culture, all the attention and funding is being lavished upon a manufactured hoax, peddled with the aid of phony data, as governments prepare to suck what’s left out of the middle class and poor with carbon taxes that do nothing to help the environment, while all the real environmental problems are left in the shadows.

http://www.congresscheck.com/2008/11/17/ipcc-scientists...push-global-warming/