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Originally posted by Michael Donnelly:
I'm really not b!tching now, all I'm asking is that the track be up front about what distance they are going to run so I can plan around it in the future.

And also add on the flyer that if one freak cloud pops up and rains on us on Sunday afternoon when there are racers from many different states and people have to work and kids have to go to school that 1/8th mile racing will be invoked?

I hate 1/8th mile too. But it beats not racing, and the track did what they had to do for safety and consideration. Certainly didn't hurt the quality of the racing. Seemed like half the races were .00x or .000x at the stripe.

Chuck, we may be on the verge of needing some of your troll spray.

what i don't understand is, inless its all the nobox guys complaining about 1/8th. then i understand. but some of the box door cars complaining about 1/8th mile is ludacris. because 1/8th mile takes the advantage away from the dragsters and everything is more consistent. the dragsters love 1/4 because there are more variables to a door car then a dragster. but alot of the guys that travel and run for decent money like the 1/8 no matter door car or dragster. 1/8 makes you a better driver on the 1/4. so i guess that does not bare to well for the rest of div 3 next yr at the bracket finals, seeing how you guys smacked everyone so bad in the 1/8.

You made a bad investment if you race for money. 4 out of 400 won some each race day this week end

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Originally posted by Michael Donnelly:

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Originally posted by Josh Wirt:
And Donnelly, if you don't like waiting around to play for 3 minutes.... isn't that what all drag racers do? Sure, it's a long time waiting for a few minutes of fun, but when there's 300 other people there waiting for the same thing, you have to expect it to take a while. And yeah, tournament organizers don't cut the time in half, but I have played in tournaments where they used a running clock the entire game because they were behind schedule. Did I like it? No. Was it convenient for me? No. Did I bytch about it? No. I played the game and enjoyed myself, because that's what a hobby is all about, having fun. Maybe you should find new hobby?

I'm really not b!tching now, all I'm asking is that the track be up front about what distance they are going to run so I can plan around it in the future.

Usually races will take an hour or so in between rounds. Over 4 hours is quite excessive wouldn't you say? I'm not even concerned too much about that. PRP/Keystone has been that way for years. I've gotten to the point of just laughing it off. This argument is as old as the track itself. My running joke during unexplained pauses in the program is that the track is waiting for Mike Gentile to call the tower!

And if you want a hockey comparison... I have a league game tonight in Mount Pleasant (roller hockey). They have 3 running 15 minute periods (which sucks). It's 4on4 and we usually carry an 8 guy bench. I'll probably see 22-23 minutes of playing time. I'll be there for about two hours max. Now the ratio of time spent to time played is about 6:1. On a typical race day that time ratio is about 90:1 but can get considerably better if you go some rounds in eliminations. Running two classes also helps, which I'm am a big fan of! Last Saturday that ratio was 300:1 for one class and if you went some rounds in eliminations you had to do it the next day, technically! That's an order of magnitude difference!

If you want more seat time try dirt track . Thats the way it is with the drags it sucks but oh well but we still love it

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Originally posted by Scotty Phillips:
what i don't understand is, inless its all the nobox guys complaining about 1/8th. then i understand. but some of the box door cars complaining about 1/8th mile is ludacris. because 1/8th mile takes the advantage away from the dragsters and everything is more consistent. the dragsters love 1/4 because there are more variables to a door car then a dragster. but alot of the guys that travel and run for decent money like the 1/8 no matter door car or dragster. 1/8 makes you a better driver on the 1/4. so i guess that does not bare to well for the rest of div 3 next yr at the bracket finals, seeing how you guys smacked everyone so bad in the 1/8.

LOL...Dunn Tire should have won the Bracket Finals then...they are an 1/8th mile track...In all fairness though..not all of thier top racers traveled to PRP...same could be said for other tracks. IMHO..1/8th mile racing beats golf...fishing...and work...so I don't complain either way. Just curious...why does a 11 sec driver need to know if it's 1/8th or 1/4 anyway...?..has no bearing on stopping or dew saturation for them..

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Just curious...why does a 11 sec driver need to know if it's 1/8th or 1/4 anyway...?..has no bearing on stopping or dew saturation for them..

Very interesting question, indeed. Anyone,Buehler, anyone?

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Very interesting question, indeed. Anyone,Buehler, anyone?[/QUOTE]

Well Tony, about 9 yrs ago at Norwalk Classic, my "11 second car" going approx 116mph did a serious rearend kick out going thru the "1/4 traps" and was the only time ever that I was scared in any car! Very soon after that, Bader stopped the races and went 1/8th mile. Finish line was like an ice rink!

Last few pages....

I thought I'd share a few things with you all from this weekend. As you may have noticed, I spend all my time around the Pro Mod folks trying to help make that program run as smoothly as possible. I lost track of how many times I was told,"we really like your track". All those people who came down from Canada, New York, Michigan, etc. were very impressed by the preparation of the racing surface and by how they were treated by the staff at PRP. They were also impressed by how friendly the tracks regular racers were to them, which isn't always the case everywhere they go. Yes there were some comments about how long it took to get the program in, but the Pro Mods pretty much ran on schedule, until Sunday. But even after the rain their program wasn't really too far off schedule, except that the 11AM qualifying session ended at 3:30. I will take the hit for that, playing the Canadian national anthem put us behind by one minute and fifty six seconds, but that song seemed longer than that.

I've noticed that anytime anyone posts comments on here that point out some of the flaws in the program everyone jumps all over them to defend the track. It is a very nice facility with alot of good people on the staff and a lot of good people racing there. But it isn't perfect, nothing is. When a reasonable person like Steve Reasbeck points out things that could be improved on he should not be castigated (or castrated) for speaking the truth. The track, it's staff and racers are strong enough to stand criticism, especially if it's warranted. Some of the things can be made better, some things just are what they are and people will have to learn to deal with those things just as they are. Overall I'd have to say PRP has far more positives than negatives. I've been to tracks from Englishtown to Pomona to Seattle to West Palm Beach. Haven't seen one yet that is perfect. But any dragstrip is better than no dragstrip.

holy crap i have to jet to state college to check on some work going on and this forum explodes.

A couple more facts i've learned from these recent posts:

1) Rich Paton needs to talk to his doctor about taking less viagra

2) Tony has a shortness problem and needs to talk to his doctor about taking more viagra

3) Lou didn't bring us any left over cake from the wedding he went to

Dead on Tom.

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I've noticed that anytime anyone posts comments on here that point out some of the flaws in the program everyone jumps all over them to defend the track.

With all due respect Tom, that's because most of us consider it "our" track, and we get offended when people say negative things. Whether it is accurate or not. That's how it is, and that's how it's gonna be.

With all due respect to all those that have posted about the track...

If we become defensive about our actions that have become a custom due to repetitiveness, we fail to analyze the criticisms that have disturbed our repetitiveness. It can be easier to say things are good instead of saying we can make things better when we become content with good.


MJ.... just sayin'

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Originally posted by Bob Deniker:

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I've noticed that anytime anyone posts comments on here that point out some of the flaws in the program everyone jumps all over them to defend the track.

With all due respect Tom, that's because most of us consider it "our" track, and we get offended when people say negative things. Whether it is accurate or not. That's how it is, and that's how it's gonna be.

I still haven't figured out why people get so offended when some who do care about the track try to make suggestions for improvement. Do you really think somebody would sit and think about constructive ways to improve when they don't care about the track? It's your track huh? Were you there in 69 when it was open? I don't know, but i know my dad was.

Final fact I am learning:

The track is what it is, and there is no desire to improve from most, nobody wants to hear it, whether it's accurate or not, and that's how it's gonna be. So a racer who is not/ no longer part of the "our" track, your choice is either to deal with it, quit racing, or find another track to race at. I just really hope if it reaches a breaking point and you have your track all to yourself, there's enough of the "our" track people to support it and sustain it.

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Originally posted by Bob Deniker:

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I've noticed that anytime anyone posts comments on here that point out some of the flaws in the program everyone jumps all over them to defend the track.

With all due respect Tom, that's because most of us consider it "our" track, and we get offended when people say negative things. Whether it is accurate or not. That's how it is, and that's how it's gonna be.

You probably don't realize it, but that attitude is why some people don't feel welcome at "your" track. And I am not trying to be critical by making that statement. The fact the people who frequent the track stick together so much is one of it's great strengths. I can plainly see that there is a great sense of family there. But by blasting people who point out the weaknesses you make them feel as if they are not welcome in your family. And by being so quick to climb all over those who point out flaws it looks like you are trying to hide from them.

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings, but I'm just telling you how it looks to an outsider. And please don't accuse me of not supporting the track. I have put a lot of time and effort into promoting the Pro Mods and I ask for absolutely nothing for it, matter of fact I have spent a bunch of my own money doing so. I do it to help the series and the track prosper.

Should have brought the wedding party back to prp...we could have cha cha shuffled...ooops that would have taken more time!!

If I'm wrong for defending PRP then so be it.

Sorry for the "attitude".

Tom, one of the problems with a forum like this, is that some people don't realize the difference between constructive critisism and track bashing. I posted earlier in the year what I thought was just some consructive critism,(I'm sure you remember) and all hell broke lose. One person was so irate, he lost his mind and posted 37 pages of smiley faces. I personally have not been offended by any of these posts, because I don't see them as track bashing, but some people do. As of right now we're just a bunch of racers having a discussion on how we think the track can be made better. My suggestion was for only one time run on Saturday at next years race. Some people will take that as me bashing the track. There's nothing I (or anyone for that matter) can do about it. It's a fact of "internet forum" life.

By the way, a big thanks for what you do up there. it's very much appeciated.

Confucius say,

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If we become defensive about our actions that have become a custom due to repetitiveness, we fail to analyze the criticisms that have disturbed our repetitiveness. It can be easier to say things are good instead of saying we can make things better when we become content with good