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Originally posted by Tom Reyer:
This is from Maryland International Raceway

https://www.racemdir.com/rules...s_and_procedures.pdf

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Compulink CrossTalk: . Here's how it works: when the system sees both cars pre-staged and ONE of the cars staged, it
starts a timer (actual length of timer is class specific, please inquire with the tower or go to the class rules and information section on
the MDIR website for the timer length in your class)..

why in the world would the amount of time need to be different in different classes?

it is.

Bracket racing is typically 10 seconds and heads up/PRO is 7 seconds. Junior dragster is typically 15 seconds.

Always check with the track manager when running at a new track.

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
it is.

Bracket racing is typically 10 seconds and heads up/PRO is 7 seconds. Junior dragster is typically 15 seconds.

Always check with the track manager when running at a new track.

Sad part is some managers have no clue what your talking about...

and a lot of racers.

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
based on some of the replies here, knowing that some come unglued if the act of staging by their opponent doesn't happen the way they think it should know this, I will use everything within the rules in my toolbox to throw you off your game including

1. light my prestage bulb when I decide I am ready.
2. light both my prestage and stage bulb before you light your prestage bulb.
3. light my stage bulb for .6 seconds then turn it off by turning my wheels slightly or dropping my RPM.
4. light my stage bulb as long as 9 seconds after you light your stage bulb.
5. If I know you have a reputation for never staging first, you will when we pair up as I watch you burn your shyt to the ground waiting for me to stage first!

I would be okay if they got rid of courtesy staging here.

This is the feature racers should be concerned with

◙ Compulink StageLok: The StageLok System is run in every class during every event. The long-standing “shallow-staged” red
light problem is a thing of the past with this system. Before this system was designed, cars or bikes that were very lightly staged could
easily vibrate or rock out of the staging beam. When that happened, the infrared beam reconnects causing what may “appear” as a
false red light foul. In many cases, the simple vibration would cause the foul for those who shallow staged, even without the rocking
of the car or bike when the rpm’s were raised. In all cases of shallow-staged red light fouls, it appeared that the car never moved. This
is because the infrared staging beam measures 1/100 of an inch. So for those who shallow-staged, it didn’t take much for that beam
to reconnect for a vehicle that isn’t line-locked which rolls backwards, trans-brake slippage or simple unloading of the front tires caused
by torque when the motor is “matted” against a trans-brake (generally the #1 cause of shallow-staged red lights).
The StageLok system was designed to prevent these “false” (yet legally binding) red lights fouls. Here’s an inside look at how the system actually
works. Prior to either car entering the Pre-Stage beam, the starter manually triggers a switch that tells the computer to arm the AutoStart system.
The Timing System takes control of the run from that point on, eliminating the possibility of human error. Once both cars have satisfied the “Staged
Minimum” time preset (usually .5 seconds, but varies from class to class), the StageLok sequence initiates before the tree is fired allowing the racer
1” of rearward travel before the stage beam will go out. This 1” allowance is active through the entire AutoStart System, until the algorithm has
reached the green light - at which point a rearward movement will not result in a red light foul.

-I don't know that I've ever seen any written description of Autostart different from the one I see above from MIR. None have addressed this situation.
-Most times I've asked someone how the system works that should know I've found that I know a lot more about how it works than they do. (Not saying a lot, lol)
-I'd bet almost anyone who has never seen this "trick" (or whatever you want to call it) would not think the results would actually be what they are. It is not intuitive.
-If there is a situation where something is not intuitive and it is not documented anywhere something should be done so it is either well documented, well understood, or can't happen again as in the program is changed.
-All of this said, the outcome should stand.

-BTW - I have personally seen StageLok not in use where I thought it was in use at least 2 times in the last year. Additionally, it happened to me several years ago. All were on a Compulink system. I assumed StageLok was a standard but apparently it can be enabled or disabled. Can someone clear that up? Regardless, I learned to never set the transbrake when stopped and the light is flickering.

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And all of the above applies only if the stater triggers the tree as stated. If starter wait for 2 prestige lights it changes somewhat when everything happens. If starter waits for all 4 stage lights all you get is the staged to start delay which is random @ .7 to 1.1 sec picked by the computer and different every time.

Yes stagelock can be disabled. Usually up to the track if used for weekly brackets. The only time i know is always on is divisional or national events.

I only saw one run that Johnny made over the weekend, happened to be the one I ran him. After they announced the pairings I had people tell me I should make sure I stage first or double bulb him. I decided it would just be best to do my own thing but be attentive to what he is doing.

He did his burnout and backed as I did mine, from what I remember he backed into the pre-stage beam stopped. As I was moving forward to pre-stage I saw him flicker the stage beam by turning his front tires. Since he did it prior to me pre-staging it had no consequence. I simply pre-staged and bumped in as usual. I staged first and he followed a few seconds later.

Is it possible that it wasn't a malicious act and that he does this every run and it was only an issue because his opponent was already pre-staged? Or did he intentionally do it to try to get his opponent timed out? I really have no clue, didn't watch the video, I just heard lots of talk about it at the track.

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Originally posted by Brian8X4N:
I only saw one run that Johnny made over the weekend, happened to be the one I ran him. After they announced the pairings I had people tell me I should make sure I stage first or double bulb him. I decided it would just be best to do my own thing but be attentive to what he is doing.

He did his burnout and backed as I did mine, from what I remember he backed into the pre-stage beam stopped. As I was moving forward to pre-stage I saw him flicker the stage beam by turning his front tires. Since he did it prior to me pre-staging it had no consequence. I simply pre-staged and bumped in as usual. I staged first and he followed a few seconds later.

Is it possible that it wasn't a malicious act and that he does this every run and it was only an issue because his opponent was already pre-staged? Or did he intentionally do it to try to get his opponent timed out? I really have no clue, didn't watch the video, I just heard lots of talk about it at the track.

I don't know the answer to your question. But, I do know that you did exactly what one does to avoid all this drama. Do your own thing and don't go out of your way to "get in the other guy's head". The folks who do that are generally the ones who are most vulnerable to being taken advantage of.
The video shows a prime example of it. One guy refuses to stage first. Another guy may or may not have taken advantage of it. In any case, the late stager cost himself a round.

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Originally posted by Brian8X4N: Is it possible that it wasn't a malicious act and that he does this every run and it was only an issue because his opponent was already pre-staged? Or did he intentionally do it to try to get his opponent timed out? I really have no clue, didn't watch the video, I just heard lots of talk about it at the track.

I wouldn't call it malicious, but his tactic is absolutely calculated to entice a time out of his opponent. If it weren't a form of trickery, he would simply stage his car and leave it in the stage beams.

And Ed, just because someone has a different opinion doesn't mean they don't understand how something works. I don't care who stages first or last, who double bulbs, who flickers the bulb, etc. come up with a different trick if you think any of those effect my procedure.

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1. light my prestage bulb when I decide I am ready.
2. light both my prestage and stage bulb before you light your prestage bulb.
3. light my stage bulb for .6 seconds then turn it off by turning my wheels slightly or dropping my RPM.
4. light my stage bulb as long as 9 seconds after you light your stage bulb.
5. If I know you have a reputation for never staging first, you will when we pair up as I watch you burn your shyt to the ground waiting for me to stage first!

I suppose if I felt my best chance of beating my opponent was to try one of these I might do it. More likely though, I just wouldn't go racing.

Does anybody think the video is being study as a educational clip , and we may see more of this...LOL

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Originally posted by Brian8X4N:

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1. light my prestage bulb when I decide I am ready.
2. light both my prestage and stage bulb before you light your prestage bulb.
3. light my stage bulb for .6 seconds then turn it off by turning my wheels slightly or dropping my RPM.
4. light my stage bulb as long as 9 seconds after you light your stage bulb.
5. If I know you have a reputation for never staging first, you will when we pair up as I watch you burn your shyt to the ground waiting for me to stage first!

I suppose if I felt my best chance of beating my opponent was to try one of these I might do it. More likely though, I just wouldn't go racing.

How frustrating must it be to use those tactics and STILL not be in the least bit successful?

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Originally posted by Brian8X4N:

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1. light my prestage bulb when I decide I am ready.
2. light both my prestage and stage bulb before you light your prestage bulb.
3. light my stage bulb for .6 seconds then turn it off by turning my wheels slightly or dropping my RPM.
4. light my stage bulb as long as 9 seconds after you light your stage bulb.
5. If I know you have a reputation for never staging first, you will when we pair up as I watch you burn your shyt to the ground waiting for me to stage first!

I suppose if I felt my best chance of beating my opponent was to try one of these I might do it. More likely though, I just wouldn't go racing.

How frustrating must it be to use those tactics and STILL not be in the least bit successful?

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Originally posted by Brian8X4N:

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1. light my prestage bulb when I decide I am ready.
2. light both my prestage and stage bulb before you light your prestage bulb.
3. light my stage bulb for .6 seconds then turn it off by turning my wheels slightly or dropping my RPM.
4. light my stage bulb as long as 9 seconds after you light your stage bulb.
5. If I know you have a reputation for never staging first, you will when we pair up as I watch you burn your shyt to the ground waiting for me to stage first!

I suppose if I felt my best chance of beating my opponent was to try one of these I might do it. More likely though, I just wouldn't go racing.

How frustrating must it be to use those tactics and STILL not be in the least bit successful?

The believe the word is KARMA ....

Luke and Jed had a lengthy discussion about this very topic on this weeks podcast.

Listen here for their take: Ezell Saga and Spring Fling Million Winner Randell Reid

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Originally posted by J178RED:
Does anybody think the video is being study as a educational clip , and we may see more of this...LOL

Maybe a little but it's been going on forever, since the system was put in place. Social media has just given it a bigger stage for more people to see it in action.

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
it is.

Bracket racing is typically 10 seconds and heads up/PRO is 7 seconds. Junior dragster is typically 15 seconds.

Always check with the track manager when running at a new track.

Some tracks have different times for Top and MOd as well, to allow deep stagers time to get in. (even if they don't honor Deep)

Cecil County Dragway

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5) DEEP STAGING
A) The practice of deep staging will be permitted in all classes see (B and C) below.
B) The word DEEP may NOT be displayed on any vehicle.
C) AUTOSTART WILL BE ON FOR ALL CLASSES, additional time will be added into the Autostart program for
Heavy, Street and Trophy to allow additional time for deep staging.(see NHRA Div.1 ET Finals rules for settings)