Bucky,
I called my local pharmacist whom I've known for years to see if he could help get me an appointment. He said no but if I started calling and checking on line at 4 am I might get lucky. I got up on Wednesday morning and was able to get an appt for the following Saturday. Out here they fill up real fast and supplies don't seem to last.

I think that regardless of where you live,the ability to get a vaccination will be easy pretty soon.
Then,there will come a point where everyone who wants a vaccination will have one.
Others will elect not to get one.
And they will have millions of vaccines left over.
Then it will get interesting as to how they plan to mandate it.
Interesting times coming in the not to distant future.

The vaccine is still considered experimental and you have to sign a waiver when you get it. I work in hospitals repairing medical equipment and I have asked many healthcare workers if they got it and there are many who refuse to get it for that reason. The hospitals are not mandating anyone to get it because they cant. I just don't see how any vaccine mandates, for work, travel etc can be enforced at this time. Once it is FDA approved and not classified as experimental then it will be game on for mandates. Right now all of us that get it are just lab rats being experimented on lol

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Originally posted by Big Steve:
The vaccine is still considered experimental and you have to sign a waiver when you get it. I work in hospitals repairing medical equipment and I have asked many healthcare workers if they got it and there are many who refuse to get it for that reason. The hospitals are not mandating anyone to get it because they cant. I just don't see how any vaccine mandates, for work, travel etc can be enforced at this time. Once it is FDA approved and not classified as experimental then it will be game on for mandates. Right now all of us that get it are just lab rats being experimented on lol

The Company I work for said we will be REQUIRED to get the vaccine. I told my Boss it ain't happening and they can go ahead and fire me now and we will deal with it in Court.

I think they are going to Backdoor mandate it. If you want to get on an airplane you will have to have vaccine, cruise ship and any private business or place that wants to will require it.

So much for Freedom in America.

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Originally posted by Curly1:


The Company I work for said we will be REQUIRED to get the vaccine. I told my Boss it ain't happening and they can go ahead and fire me now and we will deal with it in Court.

I think they are going to Backdoor mandate it. If you want to get on an airplane you will have to have vaccine, cruise ship and any private business or place that wants to will require it.

So much for Freedom in America.

There is no way yours or any company can legally mandate an experimental vaccine. Now if it gets fast tracked for FDA approval and no longer classified as experimental then it is game on for mandates.

I agree, we can't even have a mandate to have our kids vaccinated for schools, laws suits in every state, so there is no way any company NOR state can dictate that you need a vaccine.

For the life of me I can't figure out the big push for getting it anyway.
I understand if you want to feel good because you may have an underlying condition (or someone in your house).

You still have to wear masks, you still need to keep 6 feet apart, you still need to test with the brain tickler if you go anywhere. There is NO proof that if you get the vaccine that you can't transmit the virus, so whats the point, why bother.

Until there is some benefit I don't see every one getting vaccinated.

Now if they say if you vaccinate you don't need to do any of the BS stuff then I'm all in, until then, no dice on the vaccine.
Not too mention its WAY too soon to tell if there are any side effects.

And one last question, are we changing into communism, with states/cities talking about the "Vaccine Passport", basically it's like being in a communist country, "Show me your papers or else".

OK, flame away....

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Originally posted by Big Steve:
The vaccine is still considered experimental and you have to sign a waiver when you get it. I work in hospitals repairing medical equipment and I have asked many healthcare workers if they got it and there are many who refuse to get it for that reason. The hospitals are not mandating anyone to get it because they cant. I just don't see how any vaccine mandates, for work, travel etc can be enforced at this time. Once it is FDA approved and not classified as experimental then it will be game on for mandates. Right now all of us that get it are just lab rats being experimented on lol

The Company I work for said we will be REQUIRED to get the vaccine. I told my Boss it ain't happening and they can go ahead and fire me now and we will deal with it in Court.

I think they are going to Backdoor mandate it. If you want to get on an airplane you will have to have vaccine, cruise ship and any private business or place that wants to will require it.

So much for Freedom in America.

I think you are right and there will be many fights on this front I believe. But people are into giving up rights today, soooo..
I'm no anti vaxer...in fact, if I had a time machine, you can bet I would go back and try to scrap together a way to get vaccinated a month or more ago. After two weeks and counting off work and a trip to the hospital for me and my wife, and recovery probably meaning another two worthless weeks.....I'd like to buy that miserable month back and try again. Nobody I know had a bad case until the week I got it. One employee, young thin and healthy got his ass kicked too. My wife and I follow cdc guidelines. We do go out to eat now and then. Might have been passed to us from our school aged son, who never knew he had it. Who knows.
Will I vaccinate now? I'm probably more inclined to. I have some immunity now. And I can ride that for a while. But when two healthy people at 50 land in the damn hospital from this, that's not a good time either.

I KNOW they can not make me get the vaccine and the fact that they want to MANDATE it makes me want to resist even more. Like, Here get on these trains to Auschwitz and we will take care of all the Jews.

The whole thing stinks, if the vaccine does not work why they make us take it? If the vaccine DOES work why we still have to wear masks and Social Distancing etc.? They can not have it both ways.

Unless it is not about Public Safety but about Public CONTROL.

Just when thought it was safe to go outside... a surge..
Sat morning Jeff and I went to Mel’s Diner for (inside) breakfast. First time in a year. Pretty nice.

Oklahoma has opened shots to any age wanting one. I haven't gotten one yet because I had already had the virus and I thought it better for someone who was older or had underlying conditions to get the shot I could be taking. I am going to go ahead and get it now. Just have to get a time set up.

I really don't get why it's so hard for people to understand that a vaccine for a Corona virus isn't a silver bullet. Just like the Flu shot it will EITHER keep you from getting it, lesson the symptoms or not work because the virus has mutated. The mutation factor is what causes such problems with Corona virus'. If you get a Flu shot aimed at type A flu, you will almost never get that type Flu that year. If you do it will be so minor that you probably won't even notice and the virus in your body will be weakened so that it is very unlikely that you will pass it to others. It's the best thing we have to keep it down.

Bruce, you are talking about a private business and the government in the same breath as if they are the same and they aren't. Requirements of employment can be whatever the business decides it should be as long as it doesn't violate a law. If they say you have to be vaccinated to work there and you don't go along then you're not as valuable to them as the whole of the company, as would be expected.

As of Friday Tulsa only had 39 China virus patients in our hospitals. The Tulsa mayor is suggesting that he will remove the mask mandate in affect if things keep trending down. Oklahoma is I believe number 6 of vaccinated residents so I think that says something about whether it is working or not, because I can tell you that I see a great number not following mask mandates. Just my take on things.

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Sat morning Jeff and I went to Mel’s Diner for (inside) breakfast. First time in a year. Pretty nice.

LOL. I eat at restaurants inside 6-8 times a week. No mask. Even when dining rooms were closed last March/April I was getting takeout food 6-8 times a week. My wife and I work a lot and I don't like to cook.

If you use common sense, like avoiding sick people and washing your hands, the risk is minimal.

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Sat morning Jeff and I went to Mel’s Diner for (inside) breakfast. First time in a year. Pretty nice.

LOL. I eat at restaurants inside 6-8 times a week. No mask. Even when dining rooms were closed last March/April I was getting takeout food 6-8 times a week. My wife and I work a lot and I don't like to cook .

If you use common sense, like avoiding sick people and washing your hands, the risk is minimal.

We can definitely agree on this part. LOL

Curtis I agree with you on a great many things including the vaccine usage. It's a numbers game. A tool for the fight if you will. Not sure if I want it in me, but damn sure I would have liked the much greater chance that I hadn't have gotten it or got it much less severe.

But as for private businesses requiring whatever they want.....that's not entirely accurate. This would be somewhat unprecedented to require a vaccine as a point of employment. "If you don't like it don't work here" can't exactly be used. It will be interesting to see how the trend goes. It would be a large blow to personal liberties IMO.

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Curtis I agree with you on a great many things including the vaccine usage. It's a numbers game. A tool for the fight if you will. Not sure if I want it in me, but damn sure I would have liked the much greater chance that I hadn't have gotten it or got it much less severe.

But as for private businesses requiring whatever they want.....that's not entirely accurate. This would be somewhat unprecedented to require a vaccine as a point of employment. "If you don't like it don't work here" can't exactly be used. It will be interesting to see how the trend goes. It would be a large blow to personal liberties IMO.

I'm wrong about a lot of things and the employer thing could be one of them. LOL You can almost bet that at some point we will find out though.

Texas is open to anyone 16 years and older who wants one. But just because you register does not mean it is available yet to get.

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Curtis I agree with you on a great many things including the vaccine usage. It's a numbers game. A tool for the fight if you will. Not sure if I want it in me, but damn sure I would have liked the much greater chance that I hadn't have gotten it or got it much less severe.

But as for private businesses requiring whatever they want.....that's not entirely accurate. This would be somewhat unprecedented to require a vaccine as a point of employment. "If you don't like it don't work here" can't exactly be used. It will be interesting to see how the trend goes. It would be a large blow to personal liberties IMO.

I'm wrong about a lot of things and the employer thing could be one of them. LOL You can almost bet that at some point we will find out though.

There have been some exceptions. We are kind of guilty of a very specific one at work. We have a waste treatment plant and any of my team can be required to do work out there. We require hepatitis shots for their protection. Never had anyone refuse. Not sure what we would do if they did. Gotta do the work protected. But I can’t tell you ehst to put in your body

No doubt why Qannon can find followers.
Got my second dose of Moderna Thursday. Kept waiting for a reaction, never had one.

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Originally posted by Bucky:


There have been some exceptions. We are kind of guilty of a very specific one at work. We have a waste treatment plant and any of my team can be required to do work out there. We require hepatitis shots for their protection. Never had anyone refuse. Not sure what we would do if they did. Gotta do the work protected. But I can’t tell you ehst to put in your body

That is rather different deal because the Hepatitis shot is fully approved and tested.

The COVID shot is still listed as "Experimental" and only under "Emergency Approval"

I do not think in a Court of Law anyone can force you to take an Experimental drug and I certainly will not sign away my rights to get it.

So what I see happening is BackDoor mandating it where they Recommend all Private companies like airlines and Grocery stores etc to require it.

****taster Biden was talking like they would mandate it but has since backed off and is talking the Private business route. But he made it clear he wants everyone to get it and continue to wear masks or Burkas.

CNBC: Mutations could render current Covid vaccines ineffective in a year or less, epidemiologists warn.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/3...ive-soon-survey.html