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Originally posted by Phil Dees:
Pure DC (battery) power should eliminate the variance, but would allow tree sensing devices to be more accurate.


Simple AC/DC transformer, just the appropriate voltage.
DC current also might eliminate the big voltage radiation that occurs when the top lamps fire together?

I feel like an inductive sensor is the way to trigger a device. Wink


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Well, it's been a year, let's drag this turd back up for another sniff..... Cool

Scott, any results / findings to report from the '23 season events?

The trend I saw this season is a LOT of good racers who are known for being able to hold and drive the stripe well getting behind for L's when there was no reason to drop at all....have the tree covered and dump to .03 or .04 off. Confused



Well, time for another review....has bracket racing been saved?

goob- inquiring minds want to know


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This system was delayed by Compulink due to hardware supply issue but was resolved about a month ago. From what I've been told right at 30 major tracks have this function either in place or scheduled to be in place this year.

It's pretty cool how it works is all I can say.
 
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This system was delayed by Compulink due to hardware supply issue but was resolved about a month ago. From what I've been told right at 30 major tracks have this function either in place or scheduled to be in place this year.

It's pretty cool how it works is all I can say.


Is this hardware / program being shared with Accutime, T.S.I., and Port A Tree?


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Still sounds like a money grab from the software designers.

No one has been caught with a tree sensing device. No one has even proved their existence in bracket racing or even that it can be built.

All I see is, look at this shiny "object" over here while everything else goes un-teched and/or unnoticed.

I'm not gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe.


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This system was delayed by Compulink due to hardware supply issue but was resolved about a month ago. From what I've been told right at 30 major tracks have this function either in place or scheduled to be in place this year.

It's pretty cool how it works is all I can say.


I hope that we find out if anyone gets caught and how they did it. I have said all along I do not think there is much cheating and I do believe the technology is available I just do not think it would be easy to conceal and still work good. Plus variables like right lane, left lane, photo flashes etc. Sun angle. Most all of us have had an almost perfect package and we are not cheating. I think some of the younger better guys are just able to do it more consistently.

Still IF someone is caught cheating we need to find out who they are hang them at noon in the town center.

Cheating. When they came out with Transbrakes some thought they were cheating. Now everyone has them. When they first came out with Delay boxes they said it was cheating now everyone has them. Then they came out with Matty box and it was cheating and banned after they fact. So now they are cheating but you can buy an ignition that can basically do everything the Matty box did and more. It does go about it differently instead of measuring front wheel rotations it measure engine RPM at certain points and can pull timing or fuel to slow it down if it is going too fast. But the final results it is doing same thing as the Matty box did Right? In fact the ignition may be better because it can slow the car down if you are going too fast the Matty Box as I understand it did nothing to it just told driver if he was on a breakout pass.

In my opinion the Matty box was not against the rules when it first came out because nobody knew about it. When they found out about how it worked they quickly outlawed it and went after those they suspected had it. NHRA has taken preventative steps on tree sensing device outlawing it. I do not know if anyone is doing it but I do hope if they are they get caught and we all find out about it.


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Still sounds like a money grab from the software designers.

No one has been caught with a tree sensing device. No one has even proved their existence in bracket racing or even that it can be built.

All I see is, look at this shiny "object" over here while everything else goes un-teched and/or unnoticed.

I'm not gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe.


Tom, everyone who has raced against me this year has used one. Laughing Hard Okay, maybe it just seems they have.



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I doubt that anyone has a tree sensing device. The range of inductive light sensors is only a few feet and require a 110 volt source. However, if you see a car with a very long electrical cord attached to a race car you might want to question watts (pun intended) going on.

As for running dead on, that's an entirely different subject. With the refinement of the Crew Chief program and it's ability to recognize individual prediction factors for each car I can understand how some folks can run dead on, (or darn close to dead on) round after round.

Not to endorse a system, (Crew Chief Prediction Program) but if you don't have one you are at a he11 of a disadvantage to someone who does.

Just "Factor" it in as one of the essential items you need to competitively race these days.

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So now they are cheating but you can buy an ignition that can basically do everything the Matty box did and more.


The ARC Module is illegal in bracket racing.


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So now they are cheating but you can buy an ignition that can basically do everything the Matty box did and more.


The ARC Module is illegal in bracket racing.


Easily purchasable. How often is it even checked for?

I might not be a good racer, but I’ve never even had my car looked at by someone. Hundreds of grand up for grabs and it’s just assumed everyone is honest

Bass fishing even requires polygraphs while racing has more money up for grabs on a given regular Saturday
 
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Still sounds like a money grab from the software designers.

No one has been caught with a tree sensing device. No one has even proved their existence in bracket racing or even that it can be built.

All I see is, look at this shiny "object" over here while everything else goes un-teched and/or unnoticed.

I'm not gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe.


If enough think there is a way to catch them it will keep the buzz going and off of the fact there is no tech or ambulances.
 
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So now they are cheating but you can buy an ignition that can basically do everything the Matty box did and more.


The ARC Module is illegal in bracket racing.


And yet they still sell them..........


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So now they are cheating but you can buy an ignition that can basically do everything the Matty box did and more.


The ARC Module is illegal in bracket racing.


ARC module is grid specific. There are many others out there and no rules against them.


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So now they are cheating but you can buy an ignition that can basically do everything the Matty box did and more.


The ARC Module is illegal in bracket racing.



Because the ARC module IS legal for certain classes and sectioning organizations of racing. I know this can come as a shock to some here but the world of drag racing encompasses a lot more than bracket racing. Also be quite easy to detect if someone is running one if anyone cared to look.
And yet they still sell them..........


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I would assume Mr. Beard is referring to a Grid as the magic box. No more magic than some of the digital programmable 7 boxes just more user friendly. And they have been around for 2 decades.


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I would assume Mr. Beard is referring to a Grid as the magic box. No more magic than some of the digital programmable 7 boxes just more user friendly. And they have been around for 2 decades.


Wait until someone who's afraid of the ARC module checks out a FT600 Shake head Laughing Hard


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I would assume Mr. Beard is referring to a Grid as the magic box. No more magic than some of the digital programmable 7 boxes just more user friendly. And they have been around for 2 decades.


Wait until someone who's afraid of the ARC module checks out a FT600 Shake head Laughing Hard


YEP or the Holley stuff....


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I would assume Mr. Beard is referring to a Grid as the magic box. No more magic than some of the digital programmable 7 boxes just more user friendly. And they have been around for 2 decades.


I don't think Michael referred to any box as "magic". Where you quoted him about the ARC module he was making a counterpoint to Curly's comment.



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