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| DRR Sportsman |
Just saying the ARC module is not by far a magic box I guess. There are products being used by many racers that can do FAR more than a grid and ARC module and no one bats an eye. Yet the Grid and ARC seem to get all the hate.. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." Marcus Tullius Cicero | |||
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DRR Top Comp |
What? Where do you get any of that out of the simple factual statement "The ARC Module is illegal in bracket racing." -=facepalm=- The Grid is not magic. It's an ignition box. The ARC Module is the slew rate controller. Yes, I'm well aware that there are other boxes that are illegal. It's in the rulebook. It was just an example. __ Michael Beard - staginglight@gmail.com Staging Light Graphic Design, Printing & Event Marketing | |||
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| DRR Pro |
I’ve had the Grid Can-bus plugged into four times in the twelve years I owned it, at tracks looking at the Slew Module Timeout setting for the 7761 arc module being used. It’s a tattle-tale device that basically shows good or bad in a color response. Then right next to my Grid is a Holley ECU that has a more powerful capability for traction control if the licensed software is purchased and installed. Fueltech, BS3, Motec, Haltech, MS have traction control capabilities as well. I assume everyone is legal if/when using these ignitions. | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
I am probably reading into what you are saying too much. But, you assume that every single person who uses the ignitions listed are using them in legal ways and that not one single person out there bracket racing is using the illegal capabilities? | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Because it’s known that these ignitions have the capability, I believe that alone has already made others suspicious of how they are being used. That user already is being marked as possibly being illegal. This alone could/will help deter cheating. I’ve seen 7531 boxes in several bracket cars and never gave it a thought that they were using the slew feature. Yes, I feel those bracket racing today and "doing well" are legal no matter the ignition choice. | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
There are others being used that have not been made illegal nor does anyone give them a second thought. If you know, you know. Not hard to figure this **** out. 72 Nova "Hooptie" | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
Lots pf cars out there have 7531 boxes being used in bracket racing. I have sold two of them that are doing just that. I used them in a heads up car I had 15 years ago. Are they using the slew rate function who knows. I don't think so but that's the end users decision and likely no one would ever question it. After all they are two decades old and it not a grid  "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." Marcus Tullius Cicero | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
I still don’t think you answered my question You do not think there is 1 single bracket racer in the entire country who is using this function? Not 1? | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
Yea and that's why a "footbrake" racer form Ohio is doing so good in a big dollar races all over over the midwest and south, no one goes .00x on the dial x times over a week and its not just him, but pay your $$ and play it's the world we created just gotta have a better mouse trap. | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Could very well be more than one person, I don't know. Has anyone been found using illegal capabilities in legal devices at ET races and winning? All the ECU’s I listed prior are NHRA legal. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
I see three problems with the current system that favor the use of illegal electronic systems / equipment. (1) There is literally no real initial "Technical" Inspection. The only items inspected are your NHRA Membership, that your Competition license is current and that your seat belts and Chassis Certifications are still in compliance. (2) The size of the purse is incentive (risk/reward) to do whatever knowing there is very little chance of getting caught. Where there is a will, (money) there is an incentive to try. (3) The entire NHRA Appeal Process and the way it's structured is actually an incentive to cheat. The inspection is very expensive and very specific, your appeal must identify exactly what the Tech Inspector is going to inspect. In effect it limits (restricts) the area that is to be inspected. To make this an even bigger problem they are now adding legalized gambling to the process. If you thought it's a problem now it's only going to get worse. A new type of "competitor and spectator" is about to show up at events. Greed will prevail. Bob | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
^^^^^ this!! | |||
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DRR Pro |
So here we are, shifted off topic. I don't care about any ignitions and accessories, EVERYONE has a car that will run dead on, we're looking for those that might be using a device to help them on the reaction time. I personally feel that there should be NO RULES in regard to the vehicle equipment. Still haven't been presented with any substantive evidence that such device(s) exist. Prove me wrong? "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375 | |||
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DRR Top Comp |
Dave is right here, we know the technology exists to read the tree but I still believe it would be very hard to hide and very inconsistent due to camera flashes or not directed exactly on the tree right. Should someone ever get caught I hope they make it known who did it, how they did it and what to look for to catch them. https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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| DRR Pro |
TTT, LOL! 2BKING 
1980 Camaro Taking the Best Working Small Tire Shyt Box & making it Greater Than Before! 3000 lbs. Pump Gas 436 | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
Chat gpt gave me what it said are step by step guides to create the product and even wrote the code for me in about 3 seconds this morning It picked the brain: https://store-usa.arduino.cc/p...gEAAYAyAAEgKtbfD_BwE And the photodiode: https://www.mouser.com/Product...DEAAYASAAEgLHmPD_BwE It picked the brain and diode specifically for drag racing and even told me How to connect it to the delay box Not sure how many have used chat gpt Also, I have no idea if this works or not. I also have no idea if it would be any more accurate than a human being at the race track with a car shaking and rattling. Is it possible though? Absolutely If you don’t want to believe it’s possible, especially in todays world of Ai, that’s on you If you don’t want to believe there isn’t 1 single drag racer cheating with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line, that’s also on you. | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
More than small enough to fit in a current delay box or...2"x3/4" would be fairly easy to hide for sure. Don't see why it would not work, just a light sensing diode and trigger mechanism. Seems easy to hide given the size. Guess the only question is how well does the photodiode see an LED light from 15' away "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." Marcus Tullius Cicero | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
I used to do stuff like that at my last job. The photodiode will respond to any light source bright enough. We used them in machines and had to shield them from even the plant lighting. First thing you'd have to do is shield it from the stage lights, and any other light in it's view, then be able to accurately aim it lane to lane. Personally, I believe that most of the guys killing the tree are just making hundreds of passes a year and they are that good. | |||
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| DRR Pro |
First, the standard tree is 40 to 42 feet from the stage beam. Pre-stage beam 92" up from the surface. NHRA specs. Add to that the numerous illumination sources at play, and the question of how the device interfaces with the vehicle undetected just doesn't all add up for me. "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375 | |||
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| DRR Pro |
I still fail to see any significance to this. Left lane tightened the stripe as much as possible without flat spotting the tires, the right lane knew he was screwed, no matter what, and ran it out the back. Until Scott can divulge the information that would make it make sense , it means nothing. I've seen stuff like this happen on a weekly basis, from the announcer's deck, and in the book of screwed up runs, this ain't nothing. I've watched an experienced S/P racer stage with his back tires, and the equally experienced S/P racer in the other lane, go red to him.  "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375 | |||
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