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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Originally posted by Jerry Mock:
Bucky, I have to agree with BK on this one. When I get bored and have time on my hands, I watch the news channels! All of them, not just the righty or leftys.
I've found the general concensous among business owners/manufacturers, is if the federal government would get the H ELL out of the way and let business' do business, there'd be more work than you could shake a stick at. As a business owner, I see it in my every day job. I look at my truck as an investment. Yes I have bytched and moaned about the government geting involved in my industry and killing my business.
Let me ask you this, if you were a business owner and you had the oppertunity and money to invest in your business but, didn't know what kind of mandate to curtail or lose your investment was waiting around the next corner, would make that investment? That in my opinion, is whats killing the jobs and have to agree with the other business' in this country!

I have been a business owner, and the only thing that drove my investment was market demand, not government. If there was demand there and a way to make a buck, I was on it.
I will jump on board with Bob H on his post about tax cuts for the wealthy. What did it do? Why are we still doing it if nothing came of it? More jobs were lost during the last year of Bush's last term in manufacturing than in any time in history. I posted the numbers already. Obama is sure not doing anything to curb that trend though.
And Curly, I completely agree with what you are saying about playing on equal ground. Clinton may have started the problem, but it is long past time that we do something about it.

Two things about tax cuts for the wealthy, they do pay more taxes than we do and poor people are not the ones creating jobs.
To me the bottom line is our Government has a spending problem with our money. The Government used to be 23 percent of the economy and now it is at 42% The money to pay for that has to come from us and that is the problem. I think the Government should live with in their means and budget their bills just like you and I.
I think Obama wants to make it like the wealthy are the problem and I do not think so. He is trying to create class warfare instead of step up and take responsibility for his bad decisions.
I also strongly disagree with Obama that it is all bushes fault, I believe most of the problem goes back to Clinton.

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and poor people are not the ones creating jobs.

They have that in common with wealthy people too. LOL.

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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and poor people are not the ones creating jobs.

They have that in common with wealthy people too. LOL.

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Bruce, I couldn't agree with the statement that it "all started with Clinton!" Back when I was "drawing" a paycheck, I too was a BIG Clinton fan! But I have since "seen the light" As a business owner imho, ALL of these crooks have done everything in their power to destroy the small business owner!

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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and poor people are not the ones creating jobs.

They have that in common with wealthy people too. LOL.

Pretty good come back but Rich people like it or not are the ones who start businesses and create jobs.

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Pretty good come back but Rich people like it or not are the ones who start businesses and create jobs.

You cannot leave out the small business owners who create jobs with the help of Govt. and bank loans.

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the help of Govt. and bank loans

HELP, your a idiot!

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Pretty good come back but Rich people like it or not are the ones who start businesses and create jobs.

You cannot leave out the small business owners who create jobs with the help of Govt. and bank loans.

Hello! Most businesses start out small and grow. Small businesses are the backbone of America and like everyone else they are hurting.

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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and poor people are not the ones creating jobs.

They have that in common with wealthy people too. LOL.

Pretty good come back but Rich people like it or not are the ones who start businesses and create jobs.

My point is where are they now? The tax break didn't seem to encourage additional job creation.

I can tell you one thing as a tax payer and a small business owner I am very concerned about ObamaCare and will not hire anyone unless I have to.
Where are the jobs? China. Next question. Seriously I think if they did not continue the tax break unemployment would be worse. I know on a small scale at my business the more overhead, taxes and expenses leaves me with less money to hire anyone. It is difficult to make it in this economy and I am really struggling and I do not think I am alone there.
If I could afford it I would hire more people because it is the production my people put out that makes me money.
I think I am like most all businesses we want to put money back into the company (hire people best investement) and grow the business. If I can save money on parts, people, taxes or what ever allows me to grow. Is cutting taxes the only solution? No but it helps atleast it helps businesses. And the rich people are the same way, they did not get rich by just saving money they have to make investments that work and make their money grow.
I understand the evils of taxes they are needed to build roads, protect our nation and many other things but the problem is our Government has grown too big for us to support. When 42% of the country is dependant on our Government for survival or jobs something is wrong and we are heading quickly towards Socializm.

There are 19 different tax increases in obamacare. Add on to that the hireing of 12,000 more IRS agents just to check if your complying with the law. Now the EPA is pileing on more regulations especially in the energy sector so with this gameplan why should anyone expand their business or start one for that matter. Givernment likes to micromanage anything and everything and the less they know about it the more they want to control it. There will not be much improvement in the ecomomy until we have a change in Washington and that goes for both partys. A lot of the old f arts need to be thrown out!!

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Seriously I think if they did not continue the tax break unemployment would be worse.

That is the exact logic that says that without the stimulus, our economy would have been much worse off. It's really hard to say either way. Let's face it with Obamacare...there are some good ideas and some bad ones...and the whole lot is poorly executed.
I think the reason 42% of the population being dependant on government support is a couple of reasons. One is that we let many of the manufacturing jobs go out of the coutnry, so up to 20% of the population is without work that wants it. Some people are on social security who paid into it for a long time also. Then there are the slackers who play the system. Again...fix the job situation, and the other stuff is easier to fix.

Most of the ObamaCare tax increases do not take effect until 2014 after the election.

We have went from 23% to 42% of the population depends on Government for survival. At what point do we become Socialist where we all work for the Government? 50%, 60%?
It has already reached a critical mass where it is feeding itself. All of the people dependent on Big Brother for support will vote for their next paycheck instead of what is best for the country. That has started right with our leaders in Congress. They vote for what is best for their own greedy butts and not what is best for the country. the Democrats vote for more spending in infrastructure, more stimulus packages, more spending and more Government growth so they can get more people dependent on Big Brother and more votes.
That is where we have a basic difference of opinion. I think Government should work for us and the Democrats think we should all work for the Government. Big Government growing means they get more taxes and power and that is not a good thing.

That's the service economy for ya. I said a long long time ago it was a disaster developing when we wrote off manufacturing.

When manufacturing gets bad enough and we lose enough jobs to China we will not be a "Service Economy" We will be a third world country. Or similar to the Great Depression which may turn out to be small in comparison to the big one coming up.

As I posted some time ago most of the manufacturing jobs lost have been due to extremely expensive automation replacing people because of the expense of union wages and idiotic government regulations and mandates concerning employees!
Since 1975 American manufacturing has more then doubled but it is now done with 31% fewer people then it was in 1975!
"The true cause of dwindling American competetiveness is a tax code that puts domestic firms at a clear disadvantage-NOT a lack of skill or innovation by the American worker!"
SO, leftists let's just jack-up those taxes on the employers and make them even more uncompetetive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's all on google BUT don't go there IF you have a tough time digesting COLD HARD FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Curly1:
When manufacturing gets bad enough and we lose enough jobs to China we will not be a "Service Economy" We will be a third world country. Or similar to the Great Depression which may turn out to be small in comparison to the big one coming up.

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Also, in response to Bill, I agree with some of that. Automation and improvements in efficiency have eliminated some jobs. But....it takes people to manufacture the automated machines and maintain them. On the other hand...a job lost to China is lost forever and immediately. We cannot avoid and shouldn't avoid efficiency improvements. But outsourcing is a huge suck on our economy.

SO, the highest corporate tax rate among industrialized nations, out of control unions and excessive mandates and idiotic regulations on employers making them uncompetetive while doing business in the U.S. is just going to be ignored??????????????????????
Could this be why Ford is building a $1,000,000,000.00 plant in India that will employ 5,000 people instead of in the U.S.?

Obama Takes Jobs Plan to Voters as GOP Questions Tax Component

President Obama is returning to what's becoming familiar territory to sell his $447 billion jobs plan, as he steps up pressure on Congress to pass the bill "immediately" despite early complaints from Republicans about his call to use tax hikes to pay for it.

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Originally posted by Bill Koski:
SO, the highest corporate tax rate among industrialized nations, out of control unions and excessive mandates and idiotic regulations on employers making them uncompetetive while doing business in the U.S. is just going to be ignored??????????????????????
Could this be why Ford is building a $1,000,000,000.00 plant in India that will employ 5,000 people instead of in the U.S.?

I think you are overstating the influence of those things, but sure difficulties with unions will certainly influence things. But....how much will the Indian's be paid? How does that compare to non-union wages here? The union thing ends up being an excuse to outsource at some point. Go to outragously cheap labor, and blame the move on unions. I'm not a union guy myself, but I won't blame everything on them either.