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TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski | |||
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White House: Global Warming Out, 'Global Climate Disruption' In From the administration that brought you "man-caused disaster" and "overseas contingency operation," another terminology change is in the pipeline. The White House wants the public to start using the term "global climate disruption" in place of "global warming" -- fearing the latter term oversimplifies the problem and makes it sound less dangerous than it really is. White House science adviser John Holdren urged people to start using the phrase during a speech last week in Oslo, echoing a plea he made three years earlier. Holdren said global warming is a "dangerous misnomer" for a problem far more complicated than a rise in temperature. "global climate disruption"  Gene Simmons Military Tribute Zell/Granny 2012 Send Your Thanks To the U.S.Military Post a Message to our Soldiers Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most Grandpa Bob Professional Fence Hanger / Spectator Former Crew Chief Grandma's Rocking Chair | |||
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At least they keep trying...Kinda like fishing, if what you're using doesn't work switch bait..  Dave "It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance." -Thomas Sowell | |||
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Arctic sea ice reaches annual minimum extent. Arctic sea ice appears to have reached its annual minimum extent on 10 September. The minimum ice extent was the third-lowest in the satellite record, after 2007 and 2008, and continues the trend of decreasing summer sea ice. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ 1979  2010    It's all just a big hoax, right?This message has been edited. Last edited by: Larry Heath, Later Larry Sapere aude! "Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it." "The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy! | |||
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TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski | |||
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Blind dog barking Later Larry Sapere aude! "Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it." "The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy! | |||
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TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski | |||
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Apparently BS Billy is at it again. Originally posted by Bill Koski: "MELTDOWN OF THE CLIMATE "CONSENSUS"! Paragraph: 1 BS Billy "The prestigious InterAcademy Council, an independent association of "the best scientists and engineers worldwide" formed in 2000 to give "high-quality advice to international bodies" has finished a thorough review of ipcc practices and found them badly wanting!" Paragraph: 2 BS Billy "What does the best evidence tell us? That man-made global warming is a mere hypothesis that has been inflated by exagerations and downright malfeasance fueled by the awarding of fat salaries to any "scientist" that will produce the right "results"." Paragraph: 3 BS Billy "The warming "scientific" community, the climategate E-mails reveal, is a tight clique of like-minded "scientists" and bureaucrats who give each other jobs, publish each others papers and conspire to shut out any point of view that threatens their "GRAVY TRAIN"!" Paragraph: 4 BS Billy "In the end greivous harm will have been done, not just to individual scientists reputations, but to the once-sterling reputation of science itself. For that we will all suffer!" Straight from the keyboard of BS Billy himself we have, "This is verbatim with some caps added and punctuation altered." What we have here is BS Billy showing that he is either incapable of telling the truth or is simply stupid as a stump. The BS that Billy has been repeatedly regurgitating is an article by Matt Patterson at/on the New York Post. He says its "verbatim", I say absolute BULL****! Here is the link to the full article by Patterson, http://www.nypost.com/p/news/o...kWdclUvwhVr6DYH6A4uJ Here we go lets compare shall we. Paragraph: 1 Matt Patterson "But the prestigious InterAcademy Council, an independent association of "the best scientists and engineers worldwide" (as the group's own Web site puts it) formed in 2000 to give "high-quality advice to international bodies," has finished a thorough review of IPCC practices -- and found them badly wanting." Apparently verbatim with caps added and punctuation altered, means taking two parentheses out, along with everything in between them as well, verbatim yeah right. You are a lying sack of sh1t Billy. Paragraph: 2 Matt Patterson Yeah that is the point, it is all Matt Patterson speaking, and not the prestigious InterAcademy Council as apparently BS Billy and or Matt Patterson would have us believe. And its the same for all the rest of it, its all Matt Patterson. So what is it BS Billy are you too stupid to be able to tell that the stuff you posted was written by Matt Patterson at the "prestigious New York Post" and not the IAC, or were you lying by omission in not saying that the stuff you posted was from an article by Matt Patterson? So what is your pick BS Billy, you stupid or a liar? Frankly, I think both, but that is open for discussion. Some might find it highly enlightening to know that the IPCC, heinous organization that it is portrayed as by Matt Patterson and BS Billy, was itself the party who commissioned the (prestigious, meaning you can't start casting aspersion on them now as well) IAC to review their policy and procedures, well fancy that. Hardly something a heinous organization of rouge scientist out to dupe the whole world would do, now is it? This little bit quoted below is written by the IAC in what I would term its top page executive summary of their full report to IPCC on its policy and procedures, along with their highlighted recommendations. You will note that IAC is hardly rebuking the IPCC in scathing terms here, when it says, "the IPCC has gained enormous respect and even shared the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 for informing climate policy and raising public awareness worldwide." "Through its assessment reports, the IPCC has gained enormous respect and even shared the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 for informing climate policy and raising public awareness worldwide. However, amidst an increasingly intense public debate over the science, impacts, and cost of climate change, the IPCC has come under heightened scrutiny about its impartiality with respect to climate policy and about the accuracy and balance of its reports. In response, the United Nations and the IPCC commissioned the InterAcademy Council to convene a Committee to review the processes and procedures of the IPCC." http://www.interacademycouncil...S/Reports/13042.aspx Or you can go HERE for the full IAC report; you can either open the IAC's online report reader or download the PDF's individually for perusal at your leisure. Billy when are you going to stop making a fool of yourself? Later Larry Sapere aude! "Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it." "The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy! | |||
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So, ice melts in the summer and refreezes in the winter!! Wow, who paid for this earth shattering observation? No where in the article did it say that this was caused by "man made global warming". Please provide links to satellite records for the last several thousand years so as to determine if this reduction in sea ice is not just a normal cycle. Thirty years is too small a window for determining any sort of time frame for a normal cycle. | |||
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Same stupid tactics I see Blackbird. So here you go. Sea ice trends back to 1950  Sea ice trends around Newfoundland back to 1810  Oh, and you may recall we had something called an Ice Age fairly recently as geologic and climatological time goes. It looked something like this (Black area). I seem to remember reading or hearing that the ice was a MILE thick over the New York City area.  The point is, while indeed a natural downward trend has been occurring, the last 30 years show an unexpected or "anomalous" acceleration of this trend, which just happens to coincide with a concurrent increase in global mean temperature, who would have thunk it? Further much of this trend is driven by that's right increases in the temperatures of polar regions of the planet more so than other area. When speaking about the current (last 30 years or so) of accelerated decrease of summer sea ice extent, they use the word anomalous for good reason. Blackie you might want to pull your head out your A-S-S and get a breath of fresh air now and again and take a look around at the real world, instead of the fantasy world you seem to be living in. Later Larry Sapere aude! "Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it." "The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy! | |||
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Why are alleged atheists so hung up on religion? The word bible is used all the time without any religious connection! MELTDOWN OF THE CLIMATE "CONSENSUS"! The prestigious InterAcademy Council, an independent association of "the best scientists and engineers worldwide" formed in 2000 to give "high-quality advice to international bodies" has finished a thorough review of ipcc practices and found them badly wanting! What does the best evidence tell us? That man-made global warming is a mere hypothesis that has been inflated by exagerations and downright malfeasance fueled by the awarding of fat salaries to any "scientist" that will produce the right "results". The warming "scientific" community, the climategate E-mails reveal, is a tight clique of like-minded "scientists" and bureaucrats who give each other jobs, publish each others papers and conspire to shut out any point of view that threatens their "GRAVY TRAIN"! In the end greivous harm will have been done, not just to individual scientists reputations, but to the once-sterling reputation of science itself. For that we will all suffer! This is verbatim with some caps added and punctuation altered. The graphs little man larry is posting are made up be the same people described in my post! Believe the graphs at your own peril!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski | |||
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Try this link larry. http://www.theresilientearth.c...e-part-natural-cycle Maybe you should pull your head out if you think that a little more than 50 years makes more than a blink of the eye in the lifetime of the earth. What proof do you have that this is not the first time this has happened? Still waiting on the links to the satellite data! Care to provide some sort of empirical evidence? Also remember the theory that humans crossed the land bridge(Bering Strait) from Asia to North America thousands of years ago. I guess that was man-made global warming too? DUH!!!! It's a total hoax!!! | |||
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"It's a total hoax!!!" And you're totally lost, you can't seem to get into the correct hemisphere, while I keep trying to talk about the anomalous Arctic Sea Ice loss, you are jabbering away about satellite data you know does not exist prior to 1979. I post pretty pictures, that display empirical data going as far back as 1810, knowing how some people here find it hard to read more than three or four sentences, and you can't even noodle out what they mean. I agree with you that ice loss is and has been occurring naturally, but you don't seem to get the fact that the recent record shows it has been accelerating at about 8% per decade more than one would expect, over the last 40 years at least, given no anthropomorphic CO2 additions to the biosphere. Then you, along with a few others keep posting links to blog articles about the ANTIARCTIC, half a world away from where we are talking about. By the way those are all blog articles, not peer reviewed science articles, you linked to. For sure the two guys seem to have some education, but not in Climatology or Environmental Science and the primary purpose of the site seems to be to sell books to poor deluded people like you. Pretty good sized market in climate change denial and it appears these guys are cashing in. I checked at AAAS (sciencemag.org) and between Hoffman and Simmons, the owners of the site to which you linked, they have a combined grand total of published hard science papers of, that's right, zip, nada, zilch! On the other hand, "Arctic Summer Sea Ice Could Vanish Soon But Not Suddenly" by Richard A. Kerr, a fairly recent article in Science (AAAS) shows a range of estimates that the arctic will be ice free during summer by as soon as 2020 to only slight further losses as late as 2100. These estimates were produced by 23 climate models, of these Julienne Stroeve at the National Snow and Ice Center (NSIDC) further narrowed this group to 13 of those models that reasonably reproduce the current observed decline. Further still Muyin Wang of U of W, Seattle, and James Overland of the Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory in Seattle added further constraints, which even more closely reproduce current observed data. The bottom line is that the likelihood is high of an ice free summer Arctic Ocean around 2037. Source:Science Science : Vol. 323. no. 5922, p. 1655 DOI: 10.1126/science.323.5922.1655 So you think that every article published in Science is a hoax, it's all a big scam, right? Just in case you are not aware Science is one of the premier publishers of hard science in the world, the real world. I will take the word of a paper published in Science over your link, particularly given that the site you linked to disagrees with not only arctic sea ice loss, but everything taken for granted in mainstream science, you name it they disagree.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Larry Heath, Later Larry Sapere aude! "Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it." "The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy! | |||
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Why are alleged atheists so hung up on religion? The word bible is used all the time without any religious connection! MELTDOWN OF THE CLIMATE "CONSENSUS"! The prestigious InterAcademy Council, an independent association of "the best scientists and engineers worldwide" formed in 2000 to give "high-quality advice to international bodies" has finished a thorough review of ipcc practices and found them badly wanting! What does the best evidence tell us? That man-made global warming is a mere hypothesis that has been inflated by exagerations and downright malfeasance fueled by the awarding of fat salaries to any "scientist" that will produce the right "results". The warming "scientific" community, the climategate E-mails reveal, is a tight clique of like-minded "scientists" and bureaucrats who give each other jobs, publish each others papers and conspire to shut out any point of view that threatens their "GRAVY TRAIN"! In the end greivous harm will have been done, not just to individual scientists reputations, but to the once-sterling reputation of science itself. For that we will all suffer! This is verbatim with some caps added and punctuation altered. THE BULL SHYT little man larry POSTS IS ALL PRODUCED BY THE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR PSEUDO SCIENTISTS CHOPPED UP IN THE ARTICLE ABOVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski | |||
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Blind Dog Barking.  This message has been edited. Last edited by: Larry Heath, Later Larry Sapere aude! "Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it." "The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy! | |||
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What's your problem larry? Why can't you write a post without personal attacks? I don't mind a argument but I don't put the other guy down just because he has a different view point than me. Larry is this the first time that the Artic sea ice has melted this much? I'm not talking about the last 200 years, I'm talking the FIRST time. And how many times has it melted since the first time? Who would think that this is a normal cycle! Just two questions Larry, pretty simple at that. About your scientists, wasn't it a few years ago that they were harping on "global cooling"? Did you believe that too? By the way, the NSIDC has stated that the Artic summer ice has INCREASED by 409,000 miles, or 26 per cent since 2007. Even the most committed global warming activists do not argue with this.This message has been edited. Last edited by: 82Blackbird, | |||
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The essay inside is titled “What the Earth Knows.” What it knows, according to Robert B. Laughlin, co-winner of the 1998 Nobel Prize in Physics, is this: What humans do to, and ostensibly for, the earth does not matter in the long run, and the long run is what matters to the earth. We must, Laughlin says, think about the earth’s past in terms of geologic time. For example: The world’s total precipitation in a year is about one meter—“the height of a golden retriever.” About 200 meters—the height of the Hoover Dam—have fallen on earth since the Industrial Revolution. Since the Ice Age ended, enough rain has fallen to fill all the oceans four times; since the dinosaurs died, rainfall has been sufficient to fill the oceans 20,000 times. Yet the amount of water on earth probably hasn’t changed significantly over geologic time. Damaging this old earth is, Laughlin says, “easier to imagine than it is to accomplish.” There have been mass volcanic explosions, meteor impacts, “and all manner of other abuses greater than anything people could inflict, and it’s still here. It’s a survivor.” Laughlin acknowledges that “a lot of responsible people” are worried about atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels. This has, he says, “the potential” to modify the weather by raising average temperatures several degrees centigrade and that governments have taken “significant, although ineffective,” steps to slow the warming. “On the scales of time relevant to itself, the earth doesn’t care about any of these governments or their legislation.” Buy a hybrid, turn off your air conditioner, unplug your refrigerator, yank your phone charger from the wall socket—such actions will “leave the end result exactly the same.” Someday, all the fossil fuels that used to be in the ground will be burned. After that, in about a millennium, the earth will dissolve most of the resulting carbon dioxide into the oceans. (The oceans have dissolved in them “40 times more carbon than the atmosphere contains, a total of 30 trillion tons, or 30 times the world’s coal reserves.”) The dissolving will leave the concentration in the atmosphere only slightly higher than today’s. Then “over tens of millennia, or perhaps hundreds” the earth will transfer the excess carbon dioxide into its rocks, “eventually returning levels in the sea and air to what they were before humans arrived on the scene.” This will take an eternity as humans reckon, but a blink in geologic time. It seems, Laughlin says, that “something, presumably a geologic regulatory process, fixed the world’s carbon dioxide levels before humans arrived” with their SUVs and computers. Some scientists argue that “the photosynthetic machinery of plants seems optimized” to certain carbon dioxide levels. But “most models, even pessimistic ones,” envision “a thousand-year carbon dioxide pulse followed by glacially slow decay back to the pre-civilization situation.” Laughlin believes that humans can “do damage persisting for geologic time” by “biodiversity loss”—extinctions that are, unlike carbon dioxide excesses, permanent. The earth did not reverse the extinction of the dinosaurs. Today extinctions result mostly from human population pressures—habitat destruction, pesticides, etc.—but “slowing man-made extinctions in a meaningful way would require drastically reducing the world’s human population.” Which will not happen. There is something like a pathology of climatology. To avoid mixing fact and speculation, earth scientists are, Laughlin says, “ultraconservative,” meaning they focus on the present and the immediate future: “[They] go to extraordinary lengths to prove by means of measurement that the globe is warming now, the ocean is acidifying now, fossil fuel is being exhausted now, and so forth, even though these things are self-evident in geologic time.” Climate change over geologic time is, Laughlin says, something the earth has done “on its own without asking anyone’s permission or explaining itself.” People can cause climate change, but major glacial episodes have occurred “at regular intervals of 100,000 years,” always “a slow, steady cooling followed by abrupt warming back to conditions similar to today’s.” Six million years ago the Mediterranean dried up. Ninety million years ago there were alligators in the Arctic. Three hundred million years ago Northern Europe was a desert and coal formed in Antarctica. “One thing we know for sure,” Laughlin says about these convulsions, “is that people weren’t involved.” http://www.theamericanscholar....hat-the-earth-knows/ | |||
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Wow, Trans lady, what an article!!! Just how small are we??? | |||
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Yes there are some 'hypotheses' that if enough fresh water is dumped into the North Atlantic Thermohaline system it could shut down and cause an abrupt cooling period. Some have proposed this as the mechanism responsible for the "Little Ice Age". Why yes it has, given the fact that 2007 is the lowest arctic summer sea ice extent in the current record. Look at the graph below, 2007 is the big downward outlier, so of course there has been recovery relative to 2007, but as you can see the trend of the graph is still downward as per the legend of the graph 8.9 (+/- 2.1) % per decade, more than we would expect to see if there were no exogenous CO2 additions to the biosphere. As to the use of ridicule, sorry, you are going to get a dose of that from time to time, anyone that totally disregards the majority of what scientists, and prestigious scientific organizations and institutions in a given field have to say are sure to be ridiculed, you included. Particularly when you come out with blanket statements like "It's a total hoax!!!", which is patent nonsense simply given the shear scale and number of people needed for this to occur Later Larry Sapere aude! "Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it." "The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy! | |||
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