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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
Is Blackie or Koski EVER going to tell us how climate and weather are not different? Still waiting!

Blackie? Billy?

Still waiting................

"U.K. Panel Clears East Anglia Scientists of Malpractice"

"The climate researchers at the center of last year's scandal over hacked emails were cleared Wednesday of any deliberate scientific malpractice by an independent panel of academics.

The review found the scientists were "dedicated if slightly disorganized." But it did question their statistical methods, saying it was "very surprising" that they hadn't worked more closely with professional statisticians in their work."

http://online.wsj.com/article/...NexttoWhatsNewsThird

http://www.sciencedaily.com/re.../04/100412121014.htm

ScienceDaily (Apr. 13, 2010) — Close to 50 years of data show the Devon Island ice cap, one of the largest ice masses in the Canadian High Arctic, is thinning and shrinking.



A paper published in the March edition of Arctic, the journal of the University of Calgary's Arctic Institute of North America, reports that between 1961 and 1985, the ice cap grew in some years and shrank in others, resulting in an overall loss of mass. But that changed 1985 when scientists began to see a steady decline in ice volume and area each year.

"We've been seeing more mass loss since 1985," says Sarah Boon, lead author on the paper and a Geography Professor at the University of Lethbridge. The reason for the change? Warmer summers.

The High Arctic is essentially a desert with low rates of annual precipitation. There is little accumulation of snow in the winter and cool summers, with temperatures at or below freezing, serve to maintain levels. Any increase of snow and ice takes years.

This delicate equilibrium is easily upset. One warm summer can wipe out five years of growth. And though the accelerated melting trend began in 1985, the last decade has seen four years with unusually warm summers -- 2001, 2005, 2007 and 2008.

"What we see during these warm summers is the extent of the melt is greater," says Boon about the results of a five-year remote sensing study that ran between 2000 and 2004.

The white surfaces of snow and ice reflect heat -- a process known as the albedo effect. Retreating ice exposes dark soil and gravel, which absorb heat and increase the melt rate of ice along the periphery of the cap. But it's not only the edges of the cap that are losing ice. At lower altitudes the ice is thinning as well.

Changes to the Devon ice cap, which covers approximately 14,400 sq. km, could have multiple impacts on everything from ship traffic to sea level.

There has already been an increase in the number of icebergs calving off from outlet glaciers that flow into the ocean. Boon explains that melt water runs between the bottom of the glacier and the ground, creating a slippery cushion that allows the glacier to slide forward more rapidly than it would in colder conditions.

"There are a lot of things we need to consider. One is the iceberg calving and its implications for shipping. These things don't just go away, they float out into the ocean," says Boon. A second area of concern is the contribution of increased glacier melt to rising sea level.

The work of Boon and her colleagues demonstrates the importance of long-term research. Work on Devon Island began in 1961 with researchers from the Arctic Institute of North America, including long-time Arctic scientist Roy 'Fritz' Koerner, who was part of the current study until his death in 2008. This ongoing research, which is continuing thanks to federal International Polar year funding, has created a comprehensive dataset that contributes to the understanding of the complex play between the ice cap, the atmosphere and the ocean.

"We all know long-term studies are important but they are really hard to pay for."

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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:

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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
Is Blackie or Koski EVER going to tell us how climate and weather are not different? Still waiting!

Blackie? Billy?

You made the statement you back it up!!

You know when you make a statement you have to prove it on here, don't change the protocol just because you have no answers.

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Originally posted by 82Blackbird:

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No, they're not. Do you know why FLUCTUATIONS are important?

What do you mean "no, they're not".

While we are at it, you did not answer this one!!

Thought so................

Hey JJ, is it going to rain out west Saturday?

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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
Thought so................

Are you going to answer my question or not??

Can you prove your statement "weather is not climate"?

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Originally posted by 82Blackbird:

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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
Thought so................

Are you going to answer my question or not??

Can you prove your statement "weather is not climate"?

There's nothing to prove!! It's like apples/oranges. You and Koski are the ones posting patronizing comments about the fact we even mentioned it. Personally I don't care whether you know the difference or not, but since you seem to know enough (along with your buddy Runaway) about the subject to make condescending remarks it's up to you to prove your knowledge. If you think you know enough to say I'm wrong PROVE IT! I'm not the one trying to prove you wrong, YOU ARE.

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Originally posted by muggs:
Hey JJ, is it going to rain out west Saturday?

Muggs, looks pretty good!

http://forecast.weather.gov/Ma...tField2=-118.243&e=0

If there’s a drought – it’s global warming. When there’s a hurricane – it’s global warming. If there are heavy snows or even blizzards – it’s somehow global warming. And amazingly, the latest round of rainy and windy weather in the Northeast, well that’s consistent with this phenomenon as well, so says former Vice President Al Gore.

http://www.businessandmedia.or.../20100316061540.aspx

Yes, warming does cause more extreme weather events.

Translady, take a guess which area was hit with those record floods..........

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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:

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Originally posted by 82Blackbird:

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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
Thought so................

Are you going to answer my question or not??

Can you prove your statement "weather is not climate"?

There's nothing to prove!! It's like apples/oranges. You and Koski are the ones posting patronizing comments about the fact we even mentioned it. Personally I don't care whether you know the difference or not, but since you seem to know enough (along with your buddy Runaway) about the subject to make condescending remarks it's up to you to prove your knowledge. If you think you know enough to say I'm wrong PROVE IT! I'm not the one trying to prove you wrong, YOU ARE.

Thought so........another non answer.

JJ said;
" Most of these weather stations you speak of are located at airports where ATC is more concerned about fluctuation."

"Do you know why FLUCTUATIONS are important?"

Please explain???

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Originally posted by 82Blackbird:


Thought so........another non answer.

JJ said;
" Most of these weather stations you speak of are located at airports where ATC is more concerned about fluctuation."

"Do you know why FLUCTUATIONS are important?"

Please explain???

They are more concerned with DEVIATIONS and FLUCTUATIONS based on a previous calibration of their weather systems. So when a plane is coming in to land, they know the exact weather conditions based on the set calibration. They don't give a damn what the local weather station tells them. Ask a pilot how important density altitude is to them when trying to land or launch a plane.

Now, about that weather vs. climate....... I'll be waiting.

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They are more concerned with DEVIATIONS and FLUCTUATIONS based on a previous calibration of their weather systems. So when a plane is coming in to land, they know the exact weather conditions based on the set calibration. They don't give a damn what the local weather station tells them. Ask a pilot how important density altitude is to them when trying to land or launch a plane.

So, you are saying that ATC is the one to ask about weather for pilots because they monitor the DEVIATIONS and FLUCTUATIONS of the weather systems?

Current weather conditions, not weather systems.