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Thanks to "STONER BARRY" and the socialist donkies bumbling I shoud add!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski | |||
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| <Jeremy J.> |
Still waiting, got anything yet? | ||
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| DRR Elite |
Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There it is, with our thermometer mounted on the house wall on our porch the readings there are ALWAYS a few degrees cooler than the "official" readings for Vegas, didn't used to be that way! This type of chicanery is what the man-made global warming hoax is entirely based upon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
Too bad you failed to mention that these weather stations that are used for current conditions are also used to compile "weather history". ATC does not give a rats rear about fluctuations. | |||
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| DRR Elite |
Just like a rat ba stard leftie trying to pull "science" out of his as s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski | |||
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| <Jeremy J.> |
No, they're not. Do you know why FLUCTUATIONS are important? | ||
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| DRR Sportsman |
You answer is vague, please reword. | |||
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| <Jeremy J.> |
You didn't ask me a question or else I would have gladly answered unlike the one you just conveniently overlooked. I don't care how much you avoid the questions, your ignorance only makes you look that much more foolish. You're doing all the dirty work for me. | ||
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| DRR Sportsman |
What do you mean "no, they're not". | |||
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I have a list of 100 reasons why Man-Made Global warming is a Hoax. I have this list that I wouild send to anyone, or if anyone wants to post it on one of their websites to link it to that would be fine as well. You'll probably not be interested in reading all 100 of these at one sitting, but maybe you could print them out (only 3 sheets of paper) and read them at your leisure. I believe there is significant evidence that man cannot and does not control the temperature of our planet. We learned in school that valleys were formed by moving and melting glaciers millions of years ago. We learned that traces of tropical forests have been found under the ice in the northern regions of our planet. The Permian Basin was a gigantic sea thousands of years ago. This planet has experienced temperature changes for billions of years, obviously when there was no manufacturing and no automobiles. Before we decide to change our way of life and to make ourselves poorer by imposing instant "GREEN" everything, we should make certain that there is a man-made problem. We should also ensure that the solutions we enact through great cost and inconvenience are really necessary. This is a very large concern based on what we all heard last night coming from Obama's pulpit. The things he is screaming will have a huge detrimental effect on our economy. Yes, I think that we should continue to look for more efficient sources of power while we still have oil, gas, and coal. Nuclear power is a proven success in Europe, yet the Greens prevent us from developing and using that clean source of energy. Even though he swayed on that fact last night, lets see what action will actually be taken (especially since it typically takes 8-10 years to build a facility, something we should have been doing in the 90's and 2000's under both administrations. If wind and solar power were viable alternatives now (considering cost, reliability, and effectiveness), they would replace oil, gas, and coal tomorrow without the government having to pass any law. BUT, it has been proven that they are not. We shouldn't continue to throw BILLIONS of dollars after it just because it can save a few dollars. Spending 100 million to save 10,000 is not very smart business. Let me know if you would like to get a copy of it and I will forward it to you. Keeping the Socialists and NEO-LIBERALS at bay with FACTS one post at a time !!! Freedom isn't free !!! Thank a veteran, they will actually appreciate it. | |||
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| DRR All Star |
Save your keystrokes | |||
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Bob, I know the facts tend to kill you and all of your riled up opinion, so no, I wasn't expecting you to want to get the facts. Here is a great quote from the Global Warming CZAR Al Gore: “I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it [anthropogenic global warming] is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are.” IN OTHER WORDS - LIE. Keeping the Socialists and NEO-LIBERALS at bay with FACTS one post at a time !!! Freedom isn't free !!! Thank a veteran, they will actually appreciate it. | |||
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Another email from the great climatologists proving that they are skewing data to prove their point. Kevin Trenberth who was an IPCC lead author. The subject of the day seems to be how to explain the lack of warming for the past decade or so. From: Tom Wigley To: Gavin Schmidt Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:43:54 -0600 Cc: Michael Mann Gavin, I just think that you need to be up front with uncertainties and the possibility of compensating errors. Tom. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gavin Schmidt wrote: > Tom, with respect to the difference between the models and the data, the > fundamental issue on short time scales is the magnitude of the internal > variability. Using the full CMIP3 ensemble at least has multiple > individual realisations of that internal variability and so is much more > suited to a comparison with a short period of observations. MAGICC is > great at the longer time scale, but its neglect of unforced variability > does not make it useful for these kinds of comparison. > > The kind of things we are hearing “no model showed a cooling”, the “data > is outside the range of the models” need to be addressed directly. > > Gavin > > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 18:06, Michael Mann wrote: >> Hi Tom, >> >> thanks for the comments. well, ok. but this is the full CMIP3 >> ensemble, so at least the plot is sampling the range of choices >> regarding if and how indirect effects are represented, what the cloud >> radiative feedback & sensitivity is, etc. across the modeling >> community. I’m not saying that these things necessarily cancel out >> (after all, there is an interesting and perhaps somewhat disturbing >> compensation between indirect aerosol forcing and sensitivity across >> the CMIP3 models that defies the assumption of independence), but if >> showing the full spread from CMIP3 is deceptive, its hard to imagine >> what sort of comparison wouldn’t be deceptive (your point re MAGICC >> notwithstanding), >> >> perhaps Gavin has some further comments on this (it is his plot after >> all), >> >> mike >> >> On Oct 14, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Tom Wigley wrote: >>> Mike, >>> >>> The Figure you sent is very deceptive. As an example, historical >>> runs with PCM look as though they match observations — but the >>> match is a fluke. PCM has no indirect aerosol forcing and a low >>> climate sensitivity — compensating errors. In my (perhaps too >>> harsh) >>> view, there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model >>> results by individual authors and by IPCC. This is why I still use >>> results from MAGICC to compare with observed temperatures. At least >>> here I can assess how sensitive matches are to sensitivity and >>> forcing assumptions/uncertainties. >>> >>> Tom. >>> >>> +++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> Michael Mann wrote: >>>> thanks Tom, >>>> I’ve taken the liberty of attaching a figure that Gavin put >>>> together the other day (its an update from a similar figure he >>>> prepared for an earlier RealClimate post. see: >>>> http://www.realclimate.org/ind...erate-manipulation/). It is indeed worth a thousand words, and drives home Tom’s point below. We’re planning on doing a post on this shortly, but would be nice to see the Sep. HadCRU numbers first, >>>> mike >>>> On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:01 AM, Tom Wigley wrote: >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> At the risk of overload, here are some notes of mine on the >>>>> recent >>>>> lack of warming. I look at this in two ways. The first is to >>>>> look at >>>>> the difference between the observed and expected anthropogenic >>>>> trend relative to the pdf for unforced variability. The second >>>>> is to remove ENSO, volcanoes and TSI variations from the >>>>> observed data. >>>>> Both methods show that what we are seeing is not unusual. The >>>>> second >>>>> method leaves a significant warming over the past decade. >>>>> These sums complement Kevin’s energy work. >>>>> Kevin says … “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack >>>>> of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t”. I >>>>> do not >>>>> agree with this. >>>>> Tom. >>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> Kevin Trenberth wrote: >>>>>> Hi all >>>>>> Well I have my own article on where the heck is global >>>>>> warming? We are asking that here in Boulder where we have >>>>>> broken records the past two days for the coldest days on >>>>>> record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days >>>>>> was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it smashed the >>>>>> previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F >>>>>> and also a record low, well below the previous record low. >>>>>> This is January weather (see the Rockies baseball playoff game >>>>>> was canceled on saturday and then played last night in below >>>>>> freezing weather). >>>>>> Trenberth, K. E., 2009: An imperative for climate change >>>>>> planning: tracking Earth’s global energy. /Current Opinion in >>>>>> Environmental Sustainability/, *1*, 19-27, >>>>>> doi:10.1016/j.cosust.2009.06.001. [PDF] >>>>>> >>>>>> The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at >>>>>> the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data >>>>>> published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there >>>>>> should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. >>>>>> Our observing system is inadequate. >>>>>> That said there is a LOT of nonsense about the PDO. People >>>>>> like CPC are tracking PDO on a monthly basis but it is highly >>>>>> correlated with ENSO. Most of what they are seeing is the >>>>>> change in ENSO not real PDO. It surely isn’t decadal. The >>>>>> PDO is already reversing with the switch to El Nino. The PDO >>>>>> index became positive in September for first time since Sept >>>>>> 2007. see >>>>>> http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/p...nitoring_current.ppt >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>> Michael Mann wrote: >>>>>>> extremely disappointing to see something like this appear on >>>>>>> BBC. its particularly odd, since climate is usually Richard >>>>>>> Black’s beat at BBC (and he does a great job). from what I >>>>>>> can tell, this guy was formerly a weather person at the Met >>>>>>> Office. >>>>>>> We may do something about this on RealClimate, but meanwhile >>>>>>> it might be appropriate for the Met Office to have a say >>>>>>> about this, I might ask Richard Black what’s up here? >>>>>>> mike >>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:32 AM, Stephen H Schneider wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi all. Any of you want to explain decadal natural >>>>>>>> variability and signal to noise and sampling errors to >>>>>>>> this new “IPCC Lead Author” from the BBC? As we enter an >>>>>>>> El Nino year and as soon, as the sunspots get over their >>>>>>>> temporary–presumed–vacation worth a few tenths of a Watt >>>>>>>> per meter squared reduced forcing, there will likely be >>>>>>>> another dramatic upward spike like 1992-2000. I heard >>>>>>>> someone–Mike Schlesinger maybe??–was willing to bet alot >>>>>>>> of money on it happening in next 5 years?? Meanwhile the >>>>>>>> past 10 years of global mean temperature trend stasis >>>>>>>> still saw what, 9 of the warmest in reconstructed 1000 >>>>>>>> year record and Greenland and the sea ice of the North in >>>>>>>> big retreat?? Some of you observational folks probably do >>>>>>>> need to straighten this out as my student suggests below. >>>>>>>> Such “fun”, Cheers, Steve >>>>>>>> Stephen H. Schneider >>>>>>>> Melvin and Joan Lane Professor for Interdisciplinary >>>>>>>> Environmental Studies, >>>>>>>> Professor, Department of Biology and >>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Woods Institute for the Environment >>>>>>>> Mailing address: >>>>>>>> Yang & Yamazaki Environment & Energy Building – MC 4205 >>>>>>>> 473 Via Ortega >>>>>>>> Ph: 650 725 9978 >>>>>>>> F: 650 725 4387 >>>>>>>> Websites: climatechange.net >>>>>>>> patientfromhell.org >>>>>>>> —– Forwarded Message —– >>>>>>>> From: “Narasimha D. Rao” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To: “Stephen H Schneider” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:25:53 AM GMT -08:00 >>>>>>>> US/Canada Pacific >>>>>>>> Subject: BBC U-turn on climate >>>>>>>> Steve, >>>>>>>> You may be aware of this already. Paul Hudson, BBCÿs >>>>>>>> reporter on climate change, on Friday wrote that thereÿs >>>>>>>> been no warming since 1998, and that pacific oscillations >>>>>>>> will force cooling for the next 20-30 years. It is not >>>>>>>> outrageously biased in presentation as are other skepticsÿ >>>>>>>> views. >>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm >>>>>>>> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n...n-on-climate-change/ >>>>>>>> BBC has significant influence on public opinion outside >>>>>>>> the US. >>>>>>>> Do you think this merits an op-ed response in the BBC from >>>>>>>> a scientist? >>>>>>>> Narasimha >>>>>>>> ——————————- >>>>>>>> PhD Candidate, >>>>>>>> Emmett Interdisciplinary Program in Environment and >>>>>>>> Resources (E-IPER) >>>>>>>> Stanford University >>>>>>>> Tel: 415-812-7560 >>>>>>> – >>>>>>> Michael E. Mann >>>>>>> Professor >>>>>>> Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) >>>>>>> Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) >>>>>>> 863-4075 >>>>>>> 503 Walker Building FAX: >>>>>>> (814) 865-3663 >>>>>>> The Pennsylvania State University email: mann@psu.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> University Park, PA 16802-5013 >>>>>>> website: http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> “Dire Predictions” book site: >>>>>>> http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_w...edictions/index.html >>>>>> – >>>>>> **************** >>>>>> Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: trenbert@ucar.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> Climate Analysis Section, >>>>>> www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html >>>>>> >>>>>> NCAR >>>>>> P. O. Box 3000, (303) 497 1318 >>>>>> Boulder, CO 80307 (303) 497 1333 (fax) >>>>>> Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80305 >>>>> >>>> – >>>> Michael E. Mann >>>> Professor >>>> Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) >>>> Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 >>>> 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) >>>> 865-3663 Keeping the Socialists and NEO-LIBERALS at bay with FACTS one post at a time !!! Freedom isn't free !!! Thank a veteran, they will actually appreciate it. | |||
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| DRR Pro |
How about going to this link. IPCC not infallible, SHOCK  The link is to the tail end of the comments. It is rather informative. Later Larry Sapere aude! "Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it." "The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy! | |||
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It must be getting warm in those caves. CAIRO (AP) - Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden has called for the world to boycott American goods and the U.S. dollar, blaming the United States and other industrialized countries for global warming, according to a new audiotape released Friday. In the tape, broadcast in part on Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden warned of the dangers of climate change and says that the way to stop it is to bring "the wheels of the American economy" to a halt. He blamed Western industrialized nations for hunger, desertification and floods across the globe, and called for "drastic solutions" to global warming, and "not solutions that partially reduce the effect of climate change." Bin Laden blasts US for climate change  Zell/Granny 2012 Send Your Thanks To the U.S.Military Post a Message to our Soldiers Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most Grandpa Bob Professional Fence Hanger / Spectator Former Crew Chief Grandma's Rocking Chair | |||
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So, you would expect anything different from him, if in deed it is, Osama bin Laden, doing the talking? Later Larry Sapere aude! "Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it." "The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy! | |||
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| DRR Elite |
As always obl got his talking points straght from the United States bashing "STONER BARRY" and the socialist donkies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski | |||
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