I've covered Fri & Sat of this past weekend. Time to move on to Sun. Seeing I exposed/showed my hand a little more than I like to during this race. I'll share some of my times in relation to my dial-ins.

1st time hit: I went 9.123 @ 134 mph, lifting @ the 1,000' mark.

2nd time hit: I ran all out but was on the high side limiter after the 1000'. I went 9.009 @ 152.26 mph. I rarely do this but needed a new baseline for my last incremental time.

1st round: Dial was 9.04 holding .02 & compensating for DA increase. I went 9.046 @ 143.37, run completion predicted a 9.022.

2nd round: Dial was 9.04 & thought I was holding a little over .01. I went 8.992 @ 142.12 mph, run completion predicted a 8.964. My opponent was under by more. We had fresh track prep before this round if I remember right. This was a tough race against a tough competitor, Jon Irving Jr.

3rd round: Dial was 9.02 holding .040. I went 9.031 @ 138.90 mph, run completion predicted 8.987. I raced probably the best bracket racer in the West, CW Hoefer. I thank him for his $1 donation, it's a side bet we do when we race each other.

4th round: Bye run, dial was a 9.02 & I went 9.566 @ 113.43. I got my half-track data. I cut a .005 light my best of the day & a little tighter than I prefer to be. No time to do a run completer, basically taking care of car for in between round shyt. I'm a one man show for all this shyt. I kind of thrive on the later rounds. No time to over think shyt. Just go do what I do instinctively!

5th round: Dial was 9.02, I knew I was holding but no time to figure out how much. I went 9.019 @ 142.21 mph.

6th & final round: Dial was a 9.02, I knew I was holding but no time to figure out how much. I went 9.35 @ 119.56 mph. My opponent was Hunter Walker who dominated the Pro track championship this year. He gave it a good shot on the tree & went -.001. I was no slouch but slower than I wanted to be at .017, was shooting for a .010. It would have been a great race if he went green.

There was something I was learning with the relatively new radials with only 50 runs. They're very sensitive to air pressure changes & I was testing that during eliminations. .1 lb. of air increase kept improving the 60' times up to 19.5 when I stopped. Going to test at higher pressures & consistency in the future.

2BKING is always holding & I gave you 'al a look but didn't show my whole hand.

^^^^^^^Excellent review of your win. What are the average 60’ and 1/8 mile times that your car ran during this event??

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Originally posted by markemark:
^^^^^^^Excellent review of your win. What are the average 60’ and 1/8 mile times that your car ran during this event??

M & M,

I have to admit I was somewhat apprehensive about sharing some of my holding strategy. I consider Sun. was a mild version of my holding.

I'm pretty open about telling people at the track & on DRR, that I'm always holding. Some people ask me why I tell them that. I usually reply with you have to figure how much I'm holding & I'm always varying the hold. I'm pretty good at getting rid of my holds & I do some stupid ones sometimes. I'm not perfect but I'm probably about 90% effective getting rid of my numbers.

At 1st, when you asked about my averages in 60' & 1/8-mile times. I became apprehensive again, but the data is skewed especially in the 60's. So, I'll crunch the numbers for the averages, something I pay little to no attention to. I mainly look at my variances in the incremental times & the 60's were awful; the 1/8-mile times were slightly better but not good.

I'm always testing while racing & that's why the 60's were awful. also, I usually test/practice my 1/8-mile holds while 1/4-mile racing; this race I didn't.

I should be able to post up the averages later.

2BKING

^^^^^Ok, Great. I find 60’ times can/will very at some tracks, and think 330 are more accurate to base the run off of from lane to lane. I no longer compete at 1/4 mile events (geared 1/8) and find it a waste of equipment for ET bracket racing. Many of the events I race at are timeslip app and if you want paper they have a kiosk that’ll print you one. I prefer this not stopping on the return road.

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^^^^^Ok, Great. I find 60’ times can/will very at some tracks, and think 330 are more accurate to base the run off of from lane to lane. I no longer compete at 1/4 mile events (geared 1/8) and find it a waste of equipment for ET bracket racing. Many of the events I race at are timeslip app and if you want paper they have a kiosk that’ll print you one. I prefer this not stopping on the return road.

M & M,

Thanks for giving me a math lesson today! I discovered I'm going to pay more attention to my averages from now on. There's a wealth of data I haven't been tapping into. So, I'm sorry I'm not going to share any more data on the Sun. race. I gave up more than I should have already.

2BKING needs to go back to school for math refresher courses, thanks to M & M!

When I initially spent a lot of time making small adjustments to the fuel map/ afr table/ closed loop parameters, reviewing the incrementals helped determine what changes were more consistent. This year I had a tune I ran in 4400 DA that works equally as well in 500 DA weather. I made a change to the tune in July/ August after a converter/ transmission change, only to return to what I previously used to start with.

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Originally posted by markemark:
When I initially spent a lot of time making small adjustments to the fuel map/ afr table/ closed loop parameters, reviewing the incrementals helped determine what changes were more consistent. This year I had a tune I ran in 4400 DA that works equally as well in 500 DA weather. I made a change to the tune in July/ August after a converter/ transmission change, only to return to what I previously used to start with.

I haven't adjusted any of the fuel side yet for consistency in varying DA swings, it's on the to do list! I used to have a pretty good set-up for my carburetor for consistency/small variance for big DA swings. There's definitely an art to tuning the fuel for it, sometimes you test just to stumble onto it.

As for my 60's on Sun. I stated they were awful & I had .029 swing, range or variance whatever you want to call it, but they were somewhat predictably quicker except for round two.

The first 2-time hits the car only varied .002 with 19 lbs. of air pressure pretty normal. I then decided to increase .1 lb. of tire pressure & the 60' picked up about .07 in the 1st round. 2nd round did another +.1 of pressure. That's the run that we ran on a fresh track prep & picked up .020 in 60'. That was the round that both of us was holding, but we were way faster than what we thought. I continued with another (3) +.1 pressure increases until I reached 19.5 lbs. The increased pressure was still showing better 60's but they were starting to settle in & show some consistency.

Whatever went on the in the 2nd round. It caught us both by surprise. I don't think it was tire related; my opponent was on small bias ply slicks.

Just wanted to add, all of my runs Sun. was in the same lane.

2BKING

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I'm pretty open about telling people at the track & on DRR, that I'm always holding. Some people ask me why I tell them that. I usually reply with you have to figure how much I'm holding & I'm always varying the hold. I'm pretty good at getting rid of my holds & I do some stupid ones sometimes. I'm not perfect but I'm probably about 90% effective getting rid of my numbers.

I was holding 5 on the .001 and .0002 finish line debacles I was complaining about. I intended to tighten up the stripe and take both. I am bad for changing my car so much that I can't get a handle on killing the ET the same every pass. I need to get better at it.

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Originally posted by moparacer:
I was holding 5 on the .001 and .0002 finish line debacles I was complaining about. I intended to tighten up the stripe and take both. I am bad for changing my car so much that I can't get a handle on killing the ET the same every pass. I need to get better at it.

I posted this in the "Good Morning DRR" thread.

"About my 1st 20 years of bracket racing, I was an honest dialer. Around 2010 after watching different hitters kill ET & MPH in time runs. I figured out they were testing for bracket eliminations from watching them implement that testing in elimination rounds.

I decided I needed to learn this technique/strategy & it pretty much became an obsession that I still hang onto till this day. When I 1st started holding, I was a stripe hog & lost a good many rounds by being a hog. I eventually realized I needed to be able to give up the stripe also. IMO, I think the most important part is being able to kill what you are holding. I think I covered the basics, but a lot of practice is also needed. I'm sure I missed some things or forgot, my age is slowly killing my memory."

I'm glad I got obsessed with holding. I needed that strategy & then some to race the Spring Fling Million Races! I raced the Pro Class no box/bottom bulb. The class was absolutely brutal to race & I learned a lot of different strategies while competing. It was well worth the entry fees for the education & the absolute best learning experience for my racing program.

2BKING

Getting ready for rubber to hit the Road & Track this week!

Got a busy race schedule for the last month (Nov.) of the race season for us:

Going to run Barona testing on Fri. racing on Sat.; hope to race 2 classes but not sure.

I have the Street Car Super Nationals Nov. 20-23; hope to race 2 classes, should be easily done.

To end the season is the Thanksgiving E.T. Bracket Nationals Nov. 25-30. This is a busy race with 5 races total for me. We look forward as a family to cook & celebrate as a family at the track.

In closing, I'm hoping to rename this thread in hopes of getting more participation. A few members have caught on & I'm sorry I wasn't very clear on the thread title. Not sure of the title change, yet. Let's talk about pre-race, racing & post-race; good or bad, strategy, tips wins & losses or anything else you can think about for the event you raced or going to race.

2BKING

I’m envious Brian, that’s going to be great racing finishing out November. Best of Luck.

Racing in the upper Midwest is long gone and cold weather is here with worse coming. My car has been sitting for three weeks and I started it yesterday to keep the engine lubed and the injection is still full of methanol. I’m on the alternate list for the MM and will know on the 16th if I’m traveling South.

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I’m envious Brian, that’s going to be great racing finishing out November. Best of Luck.

Racing in the upper Midwest is long gone and cold weather is here with worse coming. My car has been sitting for three weeks and I started it yesterday to keep the engine lubed and the injection is still full of methanol. I’m on the alternate list for the MM and will know on the 16th if I’m traveling South.

Thanks for the luck! Good luck on getting in the MM!

Not much time off, got the Hangover races in Tucson end of Dec. don't know if I'm going. Our track will start back up the end of Jan!

Changing rear rims & new slicks. Noticed I have a rear AFCO leaking badly. Got 2 new ones coming next day air probably see them Wed. I do have a pair of QA1 double adjustable shocks on the shelf but they're set-up for when I was NA & bias ply slicks.

2BKING

Awesome information.

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Originally posted by B KING: Noticed I have a rear AFCO leaking badly

Doubt it got worn out on the track, probably in the trailer has been my experience.

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Originally posted by B KING: Noticed I have a rear AFCO leaking badly

Doubt it got worn out on the track, probably in the trailer has been my experience.

I tend to agree with you, but we were working the leaky right rear shock pretty good for our 1st 200 runs with the ProCharger combo. The car kept driving right until we got the pre-load right & some other changes.

Our departed resident expert would disagree that the trailer miles doesn't matter on the AFCO shocks.

2BKING

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Originally posted by Coach:
Awesome information.

Is there a specific post(s) or in general about the thread?

2BKING

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2nd time hit: I ran all out but was on the high side limiter after the 1000'.

Running on the chip is illegal. This is essentially what they referred to as a 'stutter box' decades ago.

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2nd time hit: I ran all out but was on the high side limiter after the 1000'.

Running on the chip is illegal. This is essentially what they referred to as a 'stutter box' decades ago.

Gosh Michael, you should call up Jeff Foster at LVMS & tell him B King was on the chip during one time hit! I guess Jeff should have disqualified my time hit; sorry you have to forget that time hit is null & void.

I wasn't close to the chip on any other runs, eliminations or different races. Thanks for telling me something I already know, it was a mistake during a time run.

2BKING

The information on your holding numbers each round of your last race. As I am also getting older, I am holding numbers more often myself.

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Originally posted by Coach:
Awesome information.

Is there a specific post(s) or in general about the thread?

2BKING

Lots of early season rain out days, got the S/P win at Indy May 18th, after finding out Friday the we no longer employed. Didn't travel out much but had the points lead at Indy for 1 day, made it to the Division finals at Norwalk and my grandson got to skip school to go, finished 5th in points for the season. 5 round wins out of the championship I think.

Oh yeah, broke a gear set on the hit 5th round one day, and I had been really on the tree, sitting qualified on the ladder for the bye to the final.

Also answered my long wondering question....how many runs before the stock A-Body 12-bolt axle tubes twist? Found out round 4 on another day I had been real good, qualified for the bye to the final.

Car was stellar most days, and I was mostly fair driving it, some days.

Season is probably over, but I haven't unloaded or drained it just yet.