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Originally posted by Larry Scarth:
The CDC says the Pfizer and Moderna shots are 80% effective even after 8 months. So why do we/I need a booster? Flu shots at best are 60% effective and I haven't got the flu in 20 years.

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I wonder what the definition of "effective" is? Not getting Covid? I think they have fallen quite short of their promises if that is the case.

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I'm not sure getting a notification of a class starting or ending is necessarily conditioning in the sense you are making it out to be but whatever. Maybe it was? LOL

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I asked why that guy would even wear it then. The guy posting said it was better than nothing.

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Saved from the 60's when I used it.

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Originally posted by Canted Valve:

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I'm not sure getting a notification of a class starting or ending is necessarily conditioning in the sense you are making it out to be but whatever. Maybe it was? LOL

Have you ever seen a boarder collie commanded by a whistle. Pretty close to a bell I'd say.

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I asked why that guy would even wear it then. The guy posting said it was better than nothing.

Well it reduces the amount of paint in his lungs. But I don't think "fewer" virus in the lungs would be much of a win. I was at the OK state fair yesterday and was on the ferris wheel with some effeminate male representative of today's male. He stated he had his mask but wasn't wearing it because nobody else was. I guess popular Consensus can prevent the spread of a virus. I have worn masks that prevents the entry of tear gas and hydrogen sulfide gas. My question is, if one is serious about not catching the virus, and it being life threatening, why don't they wear such a mask? Opposed to a handkerchief, balaclava, etc.

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But I don't think "fewer" virus in the lungs would be much of a win.

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Originally posted by Canted Valve:

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I wonder what the definition of "effective" is? Not getting Covid? I think they have fallen quite short of their promises if that is the case.

^^^^ I think that's pretty much the definition of "vaccine", not getting. We're all pretty much aware of the phrase... vaccinated against.

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Originally posted by David Covey:
I see it that as Prather said. At a young age when we started school the bells were used to tell us when one class ended and another began, When school started and ended. In other words we were conditioned to obey the bells.
Now to obeying the covid bells. At first we were informed that covid was deadly and we must obey to stop the spread, OVER a 2 week period. No one thought any thing was wrong with that as it would be a smart thing to do.
After the first 2 weeks we were told it was getting worse as the death rate climbed. But people smarter than most started doing the math and it was discovered this is actually no worse than the seasonal flu, and was actually only more deadly to those who are older and have some health issues.
The bells have become the government and media changing the narrative and each time they do we obey like the trained little dogs we are.

I posted the original because I see the meaning in what Prather wrote. Not just about covid but about how we have become as a nation. We are being led around by our government and few are seeing what is happening.

JMHO

Dave

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
I think the biggest mistake made about this virus is statements of overconfidence about masks, distancing, the vaccine. Too many unknowns to put out some of the absolutes they did.

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:I don't believe a mask will stop all things but if you don't think it will knock down some of the vapor leaving your mouth then I'm sorry I disagree. Less vapor means less virus floating around so it's better than nothing.

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Originally posted by Canted Valve:
If one was serious why would they wear a mask that they KNOW won't filter out a virus.

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
I think the biggest mistake made about this virus is statements of overconfidence about masks, distancing, the vaccine. Too many unknowns to put out some of the absolutes they did.

Absolutely dead-on. The public was misled from the beginning with BS that flew in the face of science, and then they wonder why there's a crisis of public confidence.

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:I don't believe a mask will stop all things but if you don't think it will knock down some of the vapor leaving your mouth then I'm sorry I disagree. Less vapor means less virus floating around so it's better than nothing.

Unfortunately, this is not always the case, due to ill-fitting masks which are *redirecting* expelled gases, which can result in higher *concentrations* of viral particles in the air.

"The instantaneous particle concentrations measured within the field of view in Fig. 7(a) show large temporal variations in local concentrations when masks are used, which consistently exceed those seen for the no-mask case. The instantaneous magnitudes of particle concentrations reach up to 1.6% of the single breath concentration in the case of blue surgical mask, roughly 40% above the saturation concentration reached in the no-mask case."

"The results show that a standard surgical and three-ply cloth masks, which see current widespread use, filter at apparent efficiencies of only 12.4% and 9.8%, respectively. Apparent efficiencies of 46.3% and 60.2% are found for KN95 and R95 masks, respectively, which are still notably lower than the verified 95% rated ideal efficiencies."

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100

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Originally posted by Canted Valve:
If one was serious why would they wear a mask that they KNOW won't filter out a virus.

It's really interesting to see the incredible mental gymnastics performed by people who shame those who don't wear masks when confronted with the actual science. They demand that they are morally righteous because they've worn ineffective homemade cloth masks or the poorly fitting disposal "surgical masks", which may have actually contributed to MORE viral transmission. They refuse to acknowledge that they should be wearing higher rated masks. People freak out when you use their own arguments against them. Classic Saul Alinsky. LOL

It's absolutely staggering that we're a year and a half into this before articles have started coming out weakly stating that maybe, just maybe, the typical masks worn by the general public haven't been effective enough and "maybe your mask needs an upgrade."

Well, no $#!&. They CONTINUE to fail as they say, "Well, we only need better masks now because the delta variant is more transmissible." No. We had a year of data showing that they were ineffective against the original covid strain as well. Mask mandates failed. It's not because "masks" don't work, it's that the TYPE of masks that were worn don't work (except against influenza, apparently).

The catch-22 is that the powers that be knew that they could not mandate N95 or higher rated masks due to cost and they couldn't deplete the supply needed by front line workers. They flat out lied to the public just so people could pretend that they were doing "something".

The whole time that government officials pounded the podium shouting, "Follow the science!", they refused to ACTUALLY follow the SCIENCE.

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Originally posted by HS professor:
I just received a letter stating failure to comply to twice a week district mandated testing for unvaccinated staff will result in termination. Three strikes and you're out !! 27 friggin years and 237 accumulated sick days and it comes down to a threatening letter !!!!!