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Tom, saying nothing and doing nothing is how we got here.

Ed my comment is based on the first hand knowledge I got from someone that was there, at the car before he was extradited from the car.
 
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The details in this matter are riddled with wishful thinking, evidenced by the wishful thinking surrounding any other given event, discussed in these pages.

The natural tendency in this case for the delusional wishful thinker, is to claim this could never happen to them because they do x, y, z.

Fact of the matter is it could happen to anyone at anytime.

So be careful where your wishful thinking mouth takes you in these pages.

Prayers for the family. Sincerely.

RIP Sir.
 
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Fact of the matter is it could happen to anyone at anytime.

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what needs to happen not only at Farmington but every track in the country is to have a stand down/driver’s meeting before 1st round to discuss expectations, driver conduct and safety responsibility. Without this happening coast to coast every week, the culture never changes and we will see more fatalities.


Not a bad point, but that actually should be addressed as part of each individual's one on one interaction during tech inspection.

Driver meetings are a joke.


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Without a doubt any car, at anytime could be involved in a crash at a dragstrip and the results can be fatal, I don't care if you have the best equipment on the planet. To think any other way is just a form of denial. It is rare for a fatality but it is a real possibility for all of us.

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So with all due respect to the situation, it looks like what we have is a chronic brake bomber that didn't like to use the seat belts properly met a predictable end?

Sorry, not sorry, but plain talk is key in matters of life, death, and the future of the sport.

Y'all trying to talk around the facts is ridiculous. Roll Eyes


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Without a doubt any car, at anytime could be involved in a crash at a dragstrip and the results can be fatal, I don't care if you have the best equipment on the planet. To think any other way is just a form of denial. It is rare for a fatality but it is a real possibility for all of us.

Jok

Again what happen here is not something that could happen to anyone!
 
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Without a doubt any car, at anytime could be involved in a crash at a dragstrip and the results can be fatal, I don't care if you have the best equipment on the planet. To think any other way is just a form of denial. It is rare for a fatality but it is a real possibility for all of us.

Jok


I agree with that 100% but still the better prepared we are the more we move the odds in our favor.


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So with all due respect to the situation, it looks like what we have is a chronic brake bomber that didn't like to use the seat belts properly met a predictable end?

Sorry, not sorry, but plain talk is key in matters of life, death, and the future of the sport.

Y'all trying to talk around the facts is ridiculous. Roll Eyes



You sir are a POS! This wasn’t caused by driving the finish line. You need to keep your comments to yourself especially when you do not have the facts.



 
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Originally posted by Goob:
So with all due respect to the situation, it looks like what we have is a chronic brake bomber that didn't like to use the seat belts properly met a predictable end?

Sorry, not sorry, but plain talk is key in matters of life, death, and the future of the sport.

Y'all trying to talk around the facts is ridiculous. Roll Eyes



You sir are a POS! This wasn’t caused by driving the finish line. You need to keep your comments to yourself especially when you do not have the facts.


If nobody sets the record straight, it will be assumptions.


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Originally posted by Goob:
So with all due respect to the situation, it looks like what we have is a chronic brake bomber that didn't like to use the seat belts properly met a predictable end?

Sorry, not sorry, but plain talk is key in matters of life, death, and the future of the sport.

Y'all trying to talk around the facts is ridiculous. Roll Eyes



You sir are a POS! This wasn’t caused by driving the finish line. You need to keep your comments to yourself especially when you do not have the facts.


If nobody sets the record straight, it will be assumptions.


It's all fake news and wishful thinking in here, the one who claims he knows all on every topic is a know nothing, do nothing poser who has spent millions to end up a know nothing, do nothing pretender.

What on earth tells you anyone can set the record straight, when people of good conscience and sound mind rarely speak up?

Here I'll do it, racing is dangerous... anything can happen to anyone.

I'd never pretend to know exactly what happened if I were standing there watching it, because knowing the multitudes of mechanical failures out of the reach, of my senses. It would be in real poor taste to speculate.

Dead men can't defend themselves.

RIP Sir

Prayers for the family & friends.
 
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This has nothing to do with mechanical malfunction.
 
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Originally posted by Goob:
So with all due respect to the situation, it looks like what we have is a chronic brake bomber that didn't like to use the seat belts properly met a predictable end?

Sorry, not sorry, but plain talk is key in matters of life, death, and the future of the sport.

Y'all trying to talk around the facts is ridiculous. Roll Eyes



You sir are a POS! This wasn’t caused by driving the finish line. You need to keep your comments to yourself especially when you do not have the facts.




Okay, set us straight. What did cause it? We know something happened. We know a young man died who probably should have survived with only minor injuries so something failed. Are you saying he was wearing all proper safety equipment properly when this happened? Apparently some people know what happened but we cant. The heck is that all about?

What happened?

I find it rather interesting that something terrible happened and we can not talk about it. And if someone says something people get defensive and pissed off.

Goob is right, trying to talk around the facts is ridiculous. Tell us what happened, send our condolences to family and hope we learn from it so it does not happen again. Unless you want to stick your head in the sand, not talk about it and act like it did not happen.


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I was thinking about a few comments. They seem to think since they buy all new stuff every year and they buy $100,000 racecars that an accident cannot possibly harm them. Here is a "what if"; the car in the other lane breaks a wishbone at the 1/4 stripe and t-bones your car. This can and has happened, saying it can't or won't happen to you because you have the best, required safety stuff is a dream.
Just protect yourself the best you can, that is all any of us can do.

Good luck to everyone this season,

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This thread isn’t about an “accident” on a track and no one said crashes don’t happen, can’t happen even with the best cars and safety equipment. What we do is dangerous. But this crash by all accounts was the result of bad decisions and totally avoidable. So THIS crash can’t/won’t just happen to anyone!

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So with all due respect to the situation, it looks like what we have is a chronic brake bomber that didn't like to use the seat belts properly met a predictable end?

Sorry, not sorry, but plain talk is key in matters of life, death, and the future of the sport.

Y'all trying to talk around the facts is ridiculous. Roll Eyes



You sir are a POS! This wasn’t caused by driving the finish line. You need to keep your comments to yourself especially when you do not have the facts.


I never said it was. You can have your opinion.
By the "evidence" posted, by those claiming to "know", what other than EXACTLY what I said, could the casual reader here assume?

If you know, fk'n speak up, if you don't want to share and continue the little "I have a secret" game, then you Sir, are the POS.

That is all.


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laim this could never happen to them because they do x, y, z.

I know one person i would not want to be in a lane next too!! Thats why bradenton banned those triple chrome bumpers!!
 
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laim this could never happen to them because they do x, y, z.

I know one person i would not want to be in a lane next too!! Thats why bradenton banned those triple chrome bumpers!!


OHHHHH....you've triggered him now....LOL
 
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I don't believe anyone will ever know exactly what caused the accident, and I don't think that's the real issue here. The reason I wanted to find out what happened is because a mid/high 6 second car crashed that caused a fatality, that is reasonably uncommon. From my sources, it appears there were two major factors, 1) The belts did not hold him in the car. I do not know if mounts broke, belts were loose, belts were unfastened after finish line, etc. 2) The helmet exited the car, possibly never strapped on. Feel free to add to this if my info is wrong.
 
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That said, the NHRA is aware of this crash and their division directors have been briefed. They have been told that he removed his helmet before the crash.
 
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