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Obviously this was a terrible tragedy and I feel bad for the family. I heard the story second hand, originating from someone who was there and watched it happen. Although I can't say the whole thing was 100% accurate, I have to believe a good portion is. I would think it could be beneficial to get this out in the open because there could be some things to be learned here that may help other racers sometime.
 
Posts: 1364 | Location: Lansing,Mi | Registered: March 20, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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These cause of these fatalities in our sport are never released and/or discussed with racers so there are no take aways/lessons learned.

That said, the info I’ve received is from eye witnesses and based on it, this crash was totally avoidable.

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That said, the info I’ve received is from eye witnesses and based on it, this crash was totally avoidable.


That completely lines up with what I heard.
 
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So there is lessons to be learned that could possibly save lives in future but we can not discuss it?


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Can’t be discussed without indicting the deceased.
 
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So there is lessons to be learned that could possibly save lives in future but we can not discuss it?


Not to be disrespectful to the family, but I agree with Curly. If it can save other people, or make them think twice or check something someone needs to put the info out there.
 
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Without implicating anyone or even speculating what may have happened, the simple thing to remember is to make sure your safety gear is mounted correctly and works and you leave it on, fully functional until you turn off the track.
 
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what needs to happen not only at Farmington but every track in the country is to have a stand down/driver’s meeting before 1st round to discuss expectations, driver conduct and safety responsibility. Without this happening coast to coast every week, the culture never changes and we will see more fatalities.
 
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Can’t be discussed without indicting the deceased.


A dead man can't defend himself STFU.

You've been taking this conversation this way since before the blood was even dry.

It's disgraceful STFU.

There's a time and a place.
 
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Didn't know the guy and don't know the details. Any death on the track is a sad event. That said, I saw a tribute video of him on FB and just from that short little clip, I can tell that he didn't seem to take safety measures too seriously. Ran a mid-6-second truck (though I don't know if that was what he was driving at the time of his death). Things like doing a burn out with one hand on the steering wheel and holding the door open with the other hand, loose seat belts, fire jacket with the sleeves either cut off or rolled up above his elbows, no gloves. Just a few of the things that I noticed. I don't mean it as an indictment of the deceased (I liked that term, btw), just an observation.

Nobody ever expects anything bad to happen, but they do...and if you don't do anything beforehand to mitigate the effects, you will pay the price, eventually.
 
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I'll state the only fact I know and that is that he wasn't driving the truck in the pics which was his and well built.
 
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Didn't know the guy and don't know the details. Any death on the track is a sad event. That said, I saw a tribute video of him on FB and just from that short little clip, I can tell that he didn't seem to take safety measures too seriously. Ran a mid-6-second truck (though I don't know if that was what he was driving at the time of his death). Things like doing a burn out with one hand on the steering wheel and holding the door open with the other hand, loose seat belts, fire jacket with the sleeves either cut off or rolled up above his elbows, no gloves. Just a few of the things that I noticed. I don't mean it as an indictment of the deceased (I liked that term, btw), just an observation.

Nobody ever expects anything bad to happen, but they do...and if you don't do anything beforehand to mitigate the effects, you will pay the price, eventually.


I just saw the same video.VERY well done.
It said he was the king of drop you hard on your head.Does this have anything to do with locking the brakes at the finish line?
 
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Well,this article says it was a time trial, so it definitely wasn't from dropping too hard.

https://www.newsobserver.com/n...rticle259621369.html
 
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Can’t be discussed without indicting the deceased.


A dead man can't defend himself STFU.

You've been taking this conversation this way since before the blood was even dry.

It's disgraceful STFU.



There's a time and a place.


He didn't say $**** chill the F out.

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I think it was in competition as the car in the other lane was that yellow Duster driven sometimes by Joe Foley. Thats what I was told but once more I was not there.
 
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Truly sorry for what happened to this young man and the pain his family and friends are going through.



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I think it was in competition as the car in the other lane was that yellow Duster driven sometimes by Joe Foley. Thats what I was told but once more I was not there.


I heard he lost that round.
 
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Now look I am trying not to say to much but he did lose that round.
 
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I think once some time has passed and more details come out, this tragedy can be used as a lesson for young and old racers alike.


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The details are out
 
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