The Pirate...KNOWS

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Originally posted by BarneyB:

When driveshaft sensors are outlawed, only outlaws will have driveshaft sensors.[/QUOTE]

Really? So Racepaks should be eliminated right? IMHO Racepak is a tool, it helps you find a problem you might not find without it. A drive shaft sensor is a part of the Racepak, it lets you see tire spin/slip throughout the run. Gives you a chance to make a change to improve on it. If you think a drive shaft sensor is aiding you in a run, let me look at the data and I’ll help you understand[/QUOTE]

It was tongue in cheek. Demonizing data recording.

Oh the good old days.

I remember when delay boxes first came out here in the NE, people were called cheaters. They even tried to staggered the top bulb lol.

Then racepak came on the bracket scene and anyone with a driveshaft counter was a cheater.

Some tracks (around here) said no down track throttle stops. If you used one, you had to dial an index only. (8.90, 9.90 or 10.90)

Now we have the grid, definitely cheating if you have one.

As the purses go up, racers take this more seriously to win them. They try harder, practice more and do everything they can to bring the best car they have to the track. This does not make them cheaters. The more you prepare, the better you are when the time comes to use it.

I ask again, how can they tear you down and say anything is illegal if there are no rules for the event besides slew rates and stutter boxes?

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:

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I ask again, how can they tear you down and say anything is illegal if there are no rules for the event besides slew rates and stutter boxes?

Don't need rules

When you're dealing with devious people with the capacity to cheat, you can't rush in half kocked, the key is the Evidence.

You have to be ready for battle with Evidence.

It could be they are already looking at someone, and this is their fair warning.

Free cheese is always available in a mouse trap.

Everyone will know how it was done according to the Evidence.

Playing dumb won't change anything if Evidence is self evident.

Don't need rules.

Everyone knows you can't have a device which senses the tree for you.

Everyone knows you can't have a device with a parameter set to make the car go dead on.

I still think Bracket Racing has a certain amount of innovation.

Let's say somebody devised something where you would close your eyes after you stage your car.As soon as you heard an explosive noise from ear pods that you were wearing,you would let go of the button.You would be leaving on the sound of the bulb,not the site of it.
Still illegal?You must use your eyes?
(I know this might seem like a crazy idea,but just determining if it would be legal?)

There was a guy years ago that ran at US60 in Hardinsburg Kentucky that had a device as you describe. I believe he called it a buzz box and wore ears plugs to let him know when to let go of the button. Don't believe he was to consistent with it but he did ok. Whether it was legal or not all I know is nobody complained about it much ,but that was probably 30 yrs ago.

Regardless of what you guys think. The SFG million will probably be the highest attended bracket race in history. I just wish I could have made it to this years race. Best of luck to everyone involved.

how does one determine a house car and why would a house car announce itself as such ?

I honestly Do Not believe cheating will occur at the SFG 1.1M event next week or the other SFG events this year.

Dragsters / cars are so consistent today that I can’t imagine the need for any type of slew rate controller, much less the labeling of one if actually found with a confirmed illegal device.

Just because a car uses a driveshaft sensor for data acquisition, this should be no cause to suspect not being legal.

Inspecting to confirm a MSD ignition system to be legal is not difficult.

If the car has a Holley Dominator EFI or other EFI system, I would hope they have a person skilled in this system to confirm being legal if necessary.

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Originally posted by 68TSCAMARO:
how does one determine a house car and why would a house car announce itself as such ?

If they even have them there is no way of knowing. And I don't see them as a problem either. But that's just me.

House cars go unnoticed, they're just like any other car in the race until the house tilts the table in their favor like the wagon put back in the race and in the final round 45 minutes after being declared loser.

This is the original call


45 minutes later Bradenton track officials said the nova came down the center and plowed the finish block like this. They said they knew they got the original call wrong because the nova's front tire left a tire track witness mark leading straight down the center line to the front side of the foam block. We can see that is a fantasy story to put the wagon back in the race and in the final round.

Damn.... he’s learned a new vocabulary word. Now we will hear less about evidence and every post will have an overuse of the word “acquiesce”.

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Originally posted by head gamez:
Damn.... he’s learned a new vocabulary word. Now we will hear less about evidence and every post will have an overuse of the word “acquiesce”.

Western civilization was built on Evidence and objectivity through rational thought.

Do you have anything unemotional to add?

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Originally posted by markemark:

Dragsters / cars are so consistent today that I can’t imagine the need for any type of slew rate controller, much less the labeling of one if actually found with a confirmed illegal device.

BINGO - - - - Cars are so consistent today. You know what the weak link is........ The driver.

Okay, lets say we have a dozen of those guys that we know that could win in a dump truck. Then lets take a dozen that couldn't dial a phone, that all the sudden are big money racers. How about we compete with the clean dozen and not the dirty dozen. I don't think anyone has said that winners are cheaters, only that there are cheaters that are attempting a win, or maybe winning.

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Originally posted by Roger McGinnis:
Okay, lets say we have a dozen of those guys that we know that could win in a dump truck. Then lets take a dozen that couldn't dial a phone, that all the sudden are big money racers. How about we compete with the clean dozen and not the dirty dozen. I don't think anyone has said that winners are cheaters, only that there are cheaters that are attempting a win, or maybe winning.

I had a few years where I was racing a LOT. And doing a good bit of winning. Won the track championship and a handful of club races. One guy gets his rear all hurt and starts spouting off to everyone that he's not racing at this track anymore because there are cheaters and on and on. This guy hadn't raced competitively for very long at that point, and I struck up a conversation with him once. I think it pissed him off further that I wasn't a prick, I didn't have high dollar stuff, and frankly I just worked on my junk constantly. Now years later, he's picking up some wins and runner ups. I think we learn over the years that our perception wasn't always accurate. It's hard to take personal responsibility for your failures, particularly when you are doing your best and the failures keep coming. But the sooner you take that responsibility, the sooner you become better. JMO.

I'm not saying there isn't cheating. But if there is, how come Monday morning there isn't a ****storm of chatter on this site and facebook about cheating that went on at a certain race and why do people keep going back? Because there is never any tangible proof. In this day of having a camera on your person at almost all times, how can this be?

There has been talk on here about house cars, questions asked like whats the big deal, its just another car. It has also been mentioned that its not a problem if there is no questionable activity by the house. For those of you that don't understand this practice of house cars, here is what bothers me about it.

I don't know SFG's practice for late rounds, whether they use a ladder or not. When no ladder is used, the promoter pairs cars, they can pair to get the best results for the house, which I myself feel is manipulation. If they do use a ladder, get a copy from the first ladder round and have a crew member fill it out as the rounds go and make sure the ladder follows as it is intended. The house can also throw a car back in.....you will never know and without a ladder and people paying attention and counting cars it goes undetected.

You have to ask yourself the question.......how is it possible for the purse to be so big for a bracket race, considering the amount of time the original Million has been around and what it has paid out.......it isn't even in the same zip codes as this SFG stuff. If you want to believe this dude is so blessed and such a great promoter, all the power to you, I'm not even close to being sold on this. There are SFG house cars, it was confirmed at 131 last year.

There are also many other things that can be done with timing systems or so it has been eluded to, I cannot speak to that, I have no knowledge of the inner workings and capabilities, but given the loss and gains, nothing would surprise me.


I hope Kenny Underwood is there and I hope he is in the final with no split, I also wish there were more racers like Kenny.

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Originally posted by WILDMAN:


You have to ask yourself the question.......how is it possible for the purse to be so big for a bracket race, considering the amount of time the original Million has been around and what it has paid out.......it isn't even in the same zip codes as this SFG stuff. If you want to believe this dude is so blessed and such a great promoter, all the power to you, I'm not even close to being sold on this. There are SFG house cars, it was confirmed at 131 last year.

I saw on Facebook that if you lose by the 3rd Round,you can enter a raffle for something like $250 and if you win,you can get back in the race.When you have entry fees,buybacks,raffles, and sponsorship money,I'm sure a lot of money gets raised.

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Originally posted by 442OLDS:

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Originally posted by WILDMAN:


You have to ask yourself the question.......how is it possible for the purse to be so big for a bracket race, considering the amount of time the original Million has been around and what it has paid out.......it isn't even in the same zip codes as this SFG stuff. If you want to believe this dude is so blessed and such a great promoter, all the power to you, I'm not even close to being sold on this. There are SFG house cars, it was confirmed at 131 last year.

I saw on Facebook that if you lose by the 3rd Round,you can enter a raffle for something like $250 and if you win,you can get back in the race.When you have entry fees,buybacks,raffles, and sponsorship money,I'm sure a lot of money gets raised.

And its funny sometimes how those raffles are done without any witnesses. Just all of a sudden we have a winner.