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Originally posted by Mike English:
The Doe Run Lead plant is right here in Missouri and Yes, it is closing due to over regulated EPA rulings. Save your lead!!



All you can do is shake your head.......



All lead for bullets will have to come from overseas! This move will also make the cost 100 LL (100 low lead aviation fuel) UNAFFORDABLE. Approximately 2 g of lead is added to each gallon of aviation fuel!



There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here's one of them.



Government through the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can't get ammo, you are out of luck.





Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US. Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more.







With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China.





The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn't stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.



The military's obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American. It's as Chris Muir said, he's not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I'm right there with him on that one.





You can Google this if you don't believe it, or read this article: http://www.thenewamerican.com/ usnews/constitution/item/16881-EPA-closure-of-



EPA Closure of Last Lead Smelting Plant to Impact Ammunition Production



www.thenewamerican.com



In forcing the country's last lead smelting plant to close, the Environmental Protection Agency is making a severe impact on the manufacture of ammunition. By Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.



The last-lead-smelting-plant-to-impact-ammunition-production < http://www.thenewamerican .com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-EPA-closure-of



Long term what this means: Your investment in ammo may be your best investment. Guns will be plentiful but ammo will be another story. How does $3.75 a round (that's for one bullet) for a 9mm work for you? Box of 50 would only cost you $187.50

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So where is the lead gonna come from to manufacture bullets when the enemy takes control of the smelting plant....,

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Originally posted by Canted Valve:

Hey, I'm thinking of re-introducing the Lone Rangers silver bullets. Then, if push comes to shove, you would have trading of bullets and silver all in one package.

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Originally posted by wideopen231:
So my stupid stock pile is going up in value? Guess picking up a pound of powder,box of projectiles or cpl box's of primers every time I stop by gun store might just payoff after all.

Now just need a progressive press,this old single stage works but it is slow.Hard to do over 4 or 5 hundred at one sitting.

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Originally posted by BD:


They used to be able to get a lot done in a very short amount of time.

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Originally posted by BD:
Besides, there will never be a large protracted war again. Only regional, hit and miss confrontations.

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Originally posted by BD:
The talk about what if war came about and there were no lead factories.

At the start of ww2, the goverment contracted with Austin Brothers Bridge company to move a steel mill from Pennsylvania to Lone Star, Texas.
One year later, the steel plant was in high production, with mining of one of the nations largest iron ore deposits underway.

They used to be able to get a lot done in a very short amount of time.

Another example is the U.S.S. Yorktown rebuilt from a wreck to operatinal status in three days. From Coral Sea to Battle of Midway, where she was finally sunk.

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Originally posted by Canted Valve:
WWII veteran overhearing someone say that "You can't bomb an ideology."
This is his reply.

"The hell you can't. Because we did it. These Muslims are no different than the [Imperial] Japanese. The Japs had their suicide bombers too. And we stopped them. What it takes is the resolve and will to use a level of brutality and violence that your generation can't stomach. And until you can, this **** won't stop. It took us on the beaches with bullets, clearing out caves with flame throwers, and men like General LeMay burning down their cities, killing people by the tens of thousands. And then it took 2 atom bombs on top of it. But if that was what it took to win we were willing to do it. Until you are willing to do the same...well, I hope you enjoy this ****, because it ain't going to stop.”

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I always thought that. Then came Desert Storm and I remember what it took to ramp up for that little regional war. It took us 3-6 months to get our equipment ready and troops trained up. We were still repairing equipment as it rolled off the ships.