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Originally posted by Grandma:



Gpa

Like the idiot Bob Costas using his Freedom of speach to try to limit our right to bear arms? Talk about an idiot.

Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the
> short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban
> list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it
> had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a
> framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly. I
> have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of
> opportunity. It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory
> agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've made little mention of criminals.
> Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is
> critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure,
> due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right
> to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The
> Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):
>
>
>
> Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
> M1 Carbine,
> Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
> AR-15,
> Bushmaster XM15,
> Armalite M15,
> AR-10,
> Thompson 1927,
> Thompson M1;
> AK,
> AKM,
> AKS,
> AK-47,
> AK-74,
> ARM,
> MAK90,
> NHM 90,
> NHM 91,
> SA 85,
> SA 93,
> VEPR;
> Olympic Arms PCR;
> AR70,
> Calico Liberty ,
> Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL,
> FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1,
> Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS
> with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi,
> Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
> Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
> Calico M-110,
> MAC-10,
> MAC-11, or MPA3,
> Olympic Arms OA,
> TEC-9,
> TEC-DC9,
> TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
> Uzi.
>
>
>
> Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
> Armscor 30 BG,
> SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
> Striker 12,
> Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
>
>
>
> A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
> (i) a folding or telescoping stock,
> (ii) a threaded barrel,
> (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip,
> see below),
> (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
>
> Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more
> than
> 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
>
>
>
> A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable
> magazine, and has:
> (i) a second pistol grip,
> (ii) a threaded barrel,
> (iii) a barrel shroud or
> (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
> (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more
> than
> 10 rounds.
>
>
>
> A semiautomatic shotgun with:
> (i) a folding or telescoping stock,
> (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
> (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine
> capacity of more than 5 rounds, and
> (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
>
>
>
> Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
> Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the
> proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle
> or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or
> a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not
> particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."
>
>
>
> Note that Obama's pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in
> the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have
> a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the
> bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm
> procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement
> agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and shall
> not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes
> solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event."
> In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal
> officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
>
>
>
> The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't
> have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting
> purpose - is that devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose"
> is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support
> whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear
> arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.
>
>
>
> Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
> http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm
>
>
>
>
> Forward or send to every gun owner you know.
> Watch This, If You Want More Proof:
> YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmjGk
>
>
>
>
>









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""""Will the government ever...
- confiscate gold?
- round up American citizens and place them in internment camps?
- Search American citizens' person, property, or communications without a warrant?
- Allow government officials to write their own search warrant?
- indefinitely detain or kill American citizens without warrant or charge?

That's crazy talk.""""



Michael,,,, what's scary is yes they have done all those things in the past and are doing most of them now with the homeland security act....


They don't need to ban guns, just stop the supply of ammo,,, tax the **** out of ammo, like they're doing other things that are bad for us. You can have all the guns you want, but if you have no ammo...... I'm buying all the ammo and guns I can right now,,, SEMPER FI
.

"Fast and furious" was a scheme orchestrated by the "totus" regime in an attempt to get a leg up on more gun control laws! Many more people died at the barrel of "fast and furious" guns then died in Connecticut yesterday!!!!!
FLEEBAGGER "gun control" whack jobs nationwide are salivating because this provides them with one more incident to point at as they plot and scheme to disarm the American citizen!!!!!
A few with foot in mouth disease have openly stated they have to take full advantage of this tragedy!!!!!

quote:

ply

We all know this is a terrible tragedy. My Mom taught Kindergarten for 25+ years. It's almost un-imaginable.
Now, that said, did any of you -- or is it just me -- feel Obama was "playing up" his emotion during his press conference?
I happen to feel Rahm Emanuel is once again wispering in his ear: "don't let this crisis go to waste".....

"totus" can't possibly have a conscience or a soul or he never would have watched the Benghazi attack on a live feed and ordered that no finger be lifted to save those Americans!!!!!
This was all done with political calculation in mind exactly like the dog and pony show he carried out yesterday!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Jim (_!_):
""""Will the government ever...
- confiscate gold?
- round up American citizens and place them in internment camps?
- Search American citizens' person, property, or communications without a warrant?
- Allow government officials to write their own search warrant?
- indefinitely detain or kill American citizens without warrant or charge?

That's crazy talk.""""



Michael,,,, what's scary is yes they have done all those things in the past and are doing most of them now with the homeland security act....


They don't need to ban guns, just stop the supply of ammo,,, tax the **** out of ammo, like they're doing other things that are bad for us. You can have all the guns you want, but if you have no ammo...... I'm buying all the ammo and guns I can right now,,, SEMPER FI
.

Jim
You know now you are a radical.
but hey Im buying as much as can afford and selling a few to get a more organized collectio.Im working one getting to as many guns that use one size projectile,primer and powder as possible. I reload all my stuff and this is making it easier to stock pile ammo and supplies that will be more practical if the need arise.

Right now Im focusing on .45 cal stuff,7mm,,357,.223,.308 12 gauge and 22 lr(can't reload). I figure I can take care of defence and hunting needs.
My biggest problem I hate to sale a gun,even if using money to buy 2 guns.

Its coming!

The media never lets the truth get in the way of a good story



https://www.youtube.com/watch?...bedded&v=BuLgO4wo4xI

The gun grabbers are slithering out from under their rocks in record numbers!!!!!
Naturally the duped boob IMBECILES will never admit to hearing what they are saying!!!!!

Interesting the compassion and intelligent responses shown by the members here. How bout if you don't have an idea to help protect our children and lessen the chances of this happening again you just crawl into your basement and jack off with all your ammo. Our collective brains have turned to mush, we can't even have a conversation without stupidity. We have confused the right to self defense with allowing something approaching near anarchy. There has to be a middle ground where the grownups can talk.

its this simple , no one or thing can prevent a mass killing . period .

Pimp. you may be right. How sad. What other modern countries have the high incidence of mass shootings and what if anything do they do? Is this the "price of a free country" If so, that shows our country as pretty inept. Maybe we should allow guns in the house and let all the politicians shoot each other, maybe then we'ed get some quality people in office.

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Originally posted by drag57:
Interesting the compassion and intelligent responses shown by the members here. How bout if you don't have an idea to help protect our children and lessen the chances of this happening again you just crawl into your basement and jack off with all your ammo. Our collective brains have turned to mush, we can't even have a conversation without stupidity. We have confused the right to self defense with allowing something approaching near anarchy. There has to be a middle ground where the grownups can talk.

Maybe a discussion would be in order about the fact that all but one of the mass-shootings in the United States since Columbine have taken place in "gun free safety zones"?

Or that the most pro-gun city in the country also has the lowest occurrence of violence? Since enacting mandatory gun ownership in 1982, Kennesaw, GA had remained murder free until a single instance in 2007. In 2010, there were three murders, all committed by he same man in a "school safety zone“. An area that left employees and others who might have responded to the murder's assault unarmed.

Or the fact that cities with the most restrictive gun ownership laws also experience the highest instances of non-accidental gun killings?

The tragedy in Newtown is being inaccurately portrayed by the media and anti-gun political opportunist in an assault on legal gun ownership. When you have Ed Schultz (extreme liberal political commentator from MSNBC) equating a semi-automatic pistol to an "assault weapon" and calling for the "confiscation" of certain types of weapons, you don't have to stretch at all the notion that "liberals" want to disarm the American public.

It's been proven repeatedly that "gun free" areas/zones do not protect unarmed citizens from these type of senseless attacks. In fact, it has been proven that these areas/zones actually invite the type of cowardly actions taken by the mentally damaged assailants who perpetrate these senseless crimes. Time and time again, when the media will actually cover it, we have witnessed that armed citizens almost always thwart the intent of criminally minded individuals and/or psychopaths.

The old saying, "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away" is never so blatantly true as proven by last Friday's horrific events.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...point-for-China.html

it doesn,t have to be shootings necessarily and its not only the USA . mcveigh didn,t use a gun . it has little to do with who is in office , it has a lot to do with individuals with a predetermined plan to execute people , the old adage where there is a will there is a way applies no police , security officer or metal detector can deny a schizo from causing deaths , its sad but true .

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Originally posted by drag57: What other modern countries have the high incidence of mass shootings and what if anything do they do? Is this the "price of a free country" If so, that shows our country as pretty inept. Maybe we should allow guns in the house and let all the politicians shoot each other, maybe then we'ed get some quality people in office.

Insanely restrictive gun laws or the outright banning of private gun ownership hasn't prevented mass-killings in other countries. You cannot have a "free country" if the citizens are unable to protect themselves and their property. Any level of government that would restrict an individual from such a a basic right while being completely unable to provide that protection is imposing tyranny on the citizens.

I agree that the Congress could use a good cleansing but your use of an absurd proposal is hardly a sensible conversation point.

Gun violence highest where guns most prevalent.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/re...and-death/index.html
States with higher gun ownership rates and weak gun laws have the highest rates of gun death
http://www.vpc.org/press/1110gundeath.htm
States with the Five Highest Gun Death Rates
State/Household Gun Ownership/Gun Death/100,000
AK/ 60.6/ 20.84
MS/ 54.3/ 19.32
LA/ 57.2/ 17.53
WY/ 62.8/ 17.45
States with the Five Lowest Gun Deaths
HI/ 9.7/ 3.18
MA/ 12.8/ 3.42
RI/ 13.3/ 4.18
NY/ 18.1/ 4.95
NJ/ 11.3/ 4.95

Connecticut has an assault weapons ban but it did not cover the rifle the left-wing lame stream moron media reported the whack job used?????
Of course like everything the left-wing lame stream moron media first reported about the shooting this also turned out to be a LIE!!!!!
What do you duped boobs opine the teacher that died, whether she'd been a gun control freak or not, after saving her students would have done to magically have a weapon appear in her hand while the shooter was on his way to her room?????

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were round
ed up and exterminated
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!

It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.
You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people~



14 YEAR OLD HERO WHO (thanks to being properly armed) SAVED HIS OWN LIFE AND THE LIFE OF HIS SIBLINGS

This story took place in June of 2012. Have you ever heard about it?

I haven't heard this from any of the mainstream propagandists...


A 14 year old boy who was left to babysit his siblings is a hero. You will never hear about him however, on the national news. The only way this story would have made it to the national news wires sadly, would have been if instead of saving their lives by shooting the armed intruder, they were instead KILLED by the the man with the GUN. The fact that this young 14 year old boy had the maturity and obvious training to handle a firearm, thus preventing a horrible situation from unfolding, matters not to the mainstream propagandists. It would never end up as a lead story on the national news scene because it doesn't fit their GUN GRAB agenda.

So...there you have it...the reason popular opinion is so easily swayed by the choices our media makes every day. The choices about what to report and what to ignore...