I don't own any M/T's. But, it seems what I see when I attend q16 dragster races, is exclusively M/T's. The last national event I attended, mostly M/T's in the staging lanes for Top Dragster. I can't tell you what was on the winner's car. I don't recall.

Also noteworthy is the widespread acceptance that Hoosiers are more prone to shake than M/T's on higher powered cars. I do understand that Hoosier came out with a TD tire with a harder compound that is less prone to the shake than other Hoosier tires.

My own experience: I run a C07 Hoosier. Have for ages. But when I started going faster, and trying to push the 60's down, I started getting runs here and there that were throw aways due to shake. Push it more, and they were all throw aways. 1.03 was about the cut off where I couldn't make a run without at least some shake. If I aired then down to next to nothing, I could sometimes get a run without shake. I had a friend with a 16" big bubba that he let me try, and I couldn't make that shake. I only had one test pass and into elminations with that tire, and I won that day. So I couldn't play much and try to go faster. Bigger, taller tire than I use, and that comes into play as well. Another friend loaned my a 15" 10.5" M/T, and that tire was also smooth as glass with my combo. It was also a bit sketchy on the top end without a wing.(7.1x) I added a wing this winter.

All observations on my part. My opinion is that the Hoosier C07 bites too hard to keep the tire round. Most of us can't slip a hoosier C07 consistently, and they shake. The folks that I have talked to that run Hoosiers fast that don't shake seem to be on the harder compound and a big tire.

And, it could have a lot to do with combinations. 4 link settings. Two step settings. Tire pressure.

If anyone knows how to make a 15" C07 run without shake under 1.03 60' times, I would really like to hear about it. Opinions welcome.

I can tell you that probably not many people spent much time figuring out how to not shake a Hoosier. Breaking items off the car with severe tire shake gets old quick. And throwing down money on a tire that instantly fixes the problem is the easy way.

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Originally posted by WHOMPWHOMP:

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Originally posted by Big Steve:
The new big bubba 3197 is a great tire.

If you can get a GOOD SET...

I have only bought 1 set, last season off the MT trailer. Went from the 3195 to the 97 and made zero changes on the car. Currently have over 40 runs and recently went 6.01 at 231 MPH on them. No shake, no chunking. Tires have been flawless for me.

On the Hoosier front I believe most of the fast TD are running the C1500 tire and it seems to be working great for them in the 4-5 psi range. Pretty sure thats the tire Danny Nelson is running, I know JR Baxter and his dad Rusty both run the C1500

Around here almost all of the winning cars are running MT tires. Look for yourself next time you are at the track. Ten years ago most winning cars were running Hoosier but times have changed for the better. As for MT QC problems they are non existent. Mine have been perfect and do not leak.
My 60 foot times and ETs are faster and more consistent with the MT tires. I tried 3 different Hoosier tires and they worked fair but tire shake was brutal.

If you want an opinion on tires ask someone who actually has used them AND WINS with them. The opinion of an idiot that does not run them is meaningless. Also consider that what is good for a 4 link dragster may not work as well on a door car. Different horses for different courses.

says the clueless moron with a slow POS junk whose claim to internet forum fame is winning a club race of 5 events in a field of 6-8 cars where stellar lights are better than .100.

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Originally posted by Bucky:
I don't own any M/T's. But, it seems what I see when I attend q16 dragster races, is exclusively M/T's. The last national event I attended, mostly M/T's in the staging lanes for Top Dragster. I can't tell you what was on the winner's car. I don't recall.

Also noteworthy is the widespread acceptance that Hoosiers are more prone to shake than M/T's on higher powered cars. I do understand that Hoosier came out with a TD tire with a harder compound that is less prone to the shake than other Hoosier tires.

My own experience: I run a C07 Hoosier. Have for ages. But when I started going faster, and trying to push the 60's down, I started getting runs here and there that were throw aways due to shake. Push it more, and they were all throw aways. 1.03 was about the cut off where I couldn't make a run without at least some shake. If I aired then down to next to nothing, I could sometimes get a run without shake. I had a friend with a 16" big bubba that he let me try, and I couldn't make that shake. I only had one test pass and into elminations with that tire, and I won that day. So I couldn't play much and try to go faster. Bigger, taller tire than I use, and that comes into play as well. Another friend loaned my a 15" 10.5" M/T, and that tire was also smooth as glass with my combo. It was also a bit sketchy on the top end without a wing.(7.1x) I added a wing this winter.

Two things. 1. A wing made a huge difference on my car, faster it goes smoother and straighter it runs. Now it never gets that "Loose" feeling on top end. I suspect it will help yours some to.

2. After what you posted why would you NOT run MT? First race with set of borrowed MT tires no shake and win the race? Plus your own observations most of winning cars are now running MT tires. Those two things would sure make me at least want to try them. We are racers and always trying to improve and go faster and win more races. You could always go back to Hoosier if you did not like no shake and winning more.

This is the Hoosier C1500 tire that most are running in TD. Like I said he seems to be a really good tire. dont see any reason why they would not work on a fast bracket dragster like the OP has. I was going to try them if the MT 3197 had issues which the current set has not

https://www.hoosiermidatlantic...uct.cfm?invKey=79334

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After what you posted why would you NOT run MT?

Well, it's kind of a pride thing giving up. But in all honesty, I have not seen ANY competitive C07 tires in TD. No c05's. They didn't have ANYTHING that worked on those fast cars for a while. We started seeing the C1500's last year, but who wants to be the canary? And that particular Hoosier is really getting up there in price too. A $300 Mickey doesn't shake. The $450 Hoosier probably wouldn't either. I can't get the C1500 in a 15" rim either.

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
says the clueless moron with a slow POS junk whose claim to internet forum fame is winning a club race of 5 events in a field of 6-8 cars where stellar lights are better than .100.

Come on Ed, that comment is so 2 years ago. You need to come up with something new.

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Originally posted by NC3x58:

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Originally posted by TORQIN:
The big bubba makes the Hoosier look silly EVEN with quality control...there are good things coming from Goodyear and I currently have a set on...trying this weekend at Prescott.

Please report back when you can on these, I would be interested in knowing how they work out.

I will say, this season we put a set of 3190's on my brothers car to try up here in N.E. Ohio, I'm curious as to how they do in the colder weather, if they work as good as the 3191's (currently on my dragster) and how much better they are in the summer heat. Both of our cars only go 4.70's (3191 tire car) and 4.90's (3190 tire car), and we will likely swap back and forth to see how each car reacts with each tire throughout the year.

If it’s the 3111...bring a welder....

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Originally posted by "The Bender":

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
says the clueless moron with a slow POS junk whose claim to internet forum fame is winning a club race of 5 events in a field of 6-8 cars where stellar lights are better than .100.

Come on Ed, that comment is so 2 years ago. You need to come up with something new.

same comment applies to his new POS that broke in 2 of the 5 events he raced last year against all of 6 competitors that ran all 5 events.

[/QUOTE]If it’s the 3111...bring a welder....[/QUOTE]

I hear they gave away a free welder when you buy a set of hoosiers.

So. Is there a secret to making the c07's work on slower fast dragsters?

WTF ED...back to calling people's equipment a POS...you have done it to 2 members in 2 weeks...you know some consider YOUR operation chit...they dont call you out on it...just an observation.

Be humble your kid won a divisional SC championship...you were an assistant and bankrolled the efforts. Congrats to you guys, no need to brag cuz your efforts speak volumes to your commitment.

A lil respect goes a really long way without all the crap you choose to spew. Mr King and Mr Dodson have been responding respectfully...cant you?

Your stripes wont change but do you have to go right back to what got you gone from here in the 1st place? No, you don't...its a choice.

YOUR car never ever broke a thing as long as you owned it?

Chill man, we can all get along without the POS BS.

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Originally posted by TORQIN:
WTF ED...back to calling people's equipment a POS...you have done it to 2 members in 2 weeks...you know some consider YOUR operation chit...they dont call you out on it...just an observation.

Be humble your kid won a divisional SC championship...you were an assistant and bankrolled the efforts. Congrats to you guys, no need to brag cuz your efforts speak volumes to your commitment.

A lil respect goes a really long way without all the crap you choose to spew. Mr King and Mr Dodson have been responding respectfully...cant you?

Your stripes wont change but do you have to go right back to what got you gone from here in the 1st place? No, you don't...its a choice.

YOUR car never ever broke a thing as long as you owned it?

Chill man, we can all get along without the POS BS.

Maybe it want last long....

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Originally posted by TORQIN:
WTF ED...back to calling people's equipment a POS...you have done it to 2 members in 2 weeks...you know some consider YOUR operation chit...they dont call you out on it...just an observation.

Be humble your kid won a divisional SC championship...you were an assistant and bankrolled the efforts. Congrats to you guys, no need to brag cuz your efforts speak volumes to your commitment.

A lil respect goes a really long way without all the crap you choose to spew. Mr King and Mr Dodson have been responding respectfully...cant you?

Your stripes wont change but do you have to go right back to what got you gone from here in the 1st place? No, you don't...its a choice.

YOUR car never ever broke a thing as long as you owned it?

Chill man, we can all get along without the POS BS.

Well put Chris.

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Originally posted by TORQIN:
Mr Dodson have been responding respectfully...cant you?

your hate blinds your judgement.

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Originally posted by Curly1:
The opinion of an idiot that does not run them is meaningless.

yea respectful.

Allow me to be very clear, when someone responds to my posts, my opinion, my advice as above, expect the same is coming back their way.

Further, I ain't bragging, just speaking to the facts about my cars.

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you know some consider YOUR operation chit...they dont call you out on it...just an observation.

well they would be clueless if not delusional!

I'm not into defending or attacking anyone here. Keep in mind though that some folks here (some really great people) will not let the past go, ever. Some even have stuff in their signature just to poke their finger in his eye. And, Ed will respond.

I tend to call a spade a spade. Ed is very opinionated, and tends to not leave room for other opinions. And that tends to turn folks off, and sometimes worse. He obviously has knowledge about bracket racing and the wherewithal to put together a winning team. His approach to racing and mine are often different. Fine with me. Different strokes. If you don't like his input, put him on ignore and don't read his stuff. I think most would admit that the irritation towards him started the moment he started posting again. I don't want to ruin a thread with Ed stuff. But this seems to quickly be coming to a head again. And frankly there is plenty of blame to go around.

Speaking of agreeing or disagreeing: I stated before that I have decades on the Hoosiers and they have treated me very well. But...until recently, none of their tires would work for most cars running faster than low 7's. Even now, most of their tires won't work on most of those cars. Again, if there is a trick to making any of their tires not shake when you lean on them, I would love to hear about it. It's interesting how often you see Hoosiers for sale with very few runs on them, on a car that recently started going faster. My approach may have to be to roll out easy and run harder on the rest of the track, or switch tires.

Happy hump day!

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Originally posted by Bucky:
But...until recently, none of their tires would work for most cars running faster than low 7's. Even now, most of their tires won't work on most of those cars.

you were doing great until this statement which is just not true. In 2019, I race at every NHRA divisional race in my division as well one race outside my division as well 5 national events and I've watched numerous fast competitors in TD and TS go down the track without issue, win races and win the NHRA National Championship in TD and TS on Hoosier tires!!

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Originally posted by 1320racer:

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Originally posted by Bucky:
But...until recently, none of their tires would work for most cars running faster than low 7's. Even now, most of their tires won't work on most of those cars.

you were doing great until this statement which is just not true. In 2019, I race at every NHRA divisional race in my division as well one race outside my division as well 6 national events and I've watched numerous fast competitors in TD and TS go down the track without issue, win races and win the NHRA National Championship in TD and TS on Hoosier tires!!

That's why I used the word "most". They have a couple tires with one compound as of last year that is geared toward faster cars. Those tires showed up first on their chosen cars....cars that were already running well and winning. Others followed suit when they saw the new compound working for the winners. Outside of divisionals, not many had seen the new tires/compounds.

Are you saying that you were seeing fast runs on other Hoosier compounds? I have not. Once again, if there is a method to make the old compounds effective, I'm all ears.

Usually when it comes to specifics technically, it gets real quiet when it comes to keeping particular tires from shaking.