Dave, asking Ediot is like asking a wall

Why is it for sale if vendor offered money back if not satisfied

Vendor offered money back if not satisfied for the battery's performance...keeping up with electrical demand especially in late rounds and double entered, he did not guarantee ET reduction nor was he asked to.

Scott was correct

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Originally posted by DragRaceResults:

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how much ET the 40 lb. reduction is worth.

The bigger the motor the less they care. Your PAR 648 probably won't care.

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Originally posted by imakehp:
Psychics don't apply to his junk, just ask him.

Quoted for the TRUTH!

Nuff said about this fucing moron.

Yeah the hp per pound makes a huge difference. It would greatly affect a low hp engine like mine.

buy it

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
Vendor offered money back if not satisfied for the battery's performance...keeping up with electrical demand especially in late rounds and double entered, he did not guarantee ET reduction nor was he asked to.

Scott was correct

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Originally posted by DragRaceResults:

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how much ET the 40 lb. reduction is worth.

The bigger the motor the less they care. Your PAR 648 probably won't care.

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Originally posted by imakehp:
Psychics don't apply to his junk, just ask him.

Quoted for the TRUTH!

Nuff said about this fucing moron.

40#’s makes a difference on mine…

NOTHING on mine

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
buy it

I can think of much better ways to spend $1800 for my operation. LOL Heck I’m still 12v. Haven’t needed 16volts yet.

I have went back to 12 volt on one of my cars. Many who have went to 16 volt systems are now going back to 12 volt. For me the reason was because the 12 volt does not go dead as quickly. I will continue to run the 16 volt in my other car until I have any issues and then decide.

If I really needed to save weight then I would consider the Lithium batteries and weight does matter. Weight does make a difference. On my car losing 90 Lbs is about same as 42 Hp and good for about .10 second in 1/8 mile. Your mileage may vary.

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Originally posted by Curly1:
Weight does make a difference.

Not 40 lbs. on a 1800+lb. dragster with 1300HP.

I tried braille lithium and was happy to get rid of it. Kinda like playing Russian roulette it is either good or bad. Give me a boat anchor battery any day. A Amazon tractor trailer rig burnt up on the interstate locally last week and the cause of the fire was determined to be a lithium battery meltdown.

Without question lithium batteries have a history of overheating and fires in phones, scooters, bikes, cars, trucks, etc. and I witnessed a top sportsman car on fire several years ago at VMP.

That said, in the short time we have used the Braille battery it did not struggle to crank the engine but it wasn’t tested with a double entry, both in the late rounds. It did require the battery be charged for a few minutes after sitting for 5 days.

Bottom line is we made this swap in an attempt to run quicker ETs and despite losing 40lbs. it failed to provide any performance increase.

It is now for sale with a mount for $1,800

Not surprised there was no change in ET as I have not really seen 40lbs do anything in my stuff. I swapped wome heavy older Weld Beadlocks for Deltas and went to titanium studs and lugnuts as well. Lost 42lbs of rotating and gained zero. Same result woith one lithium when I went back to two XS 16V batteries. No difference in ET. Both of those examples were in my Stratus, 2300-2530lbs.

In the heads up car(NA10.5 car) we have seen no diffence in ET from the battery swap either. We lost the Odessey battery, alternator, and wiring to the alternator and was about 34lbs and nothing changed. In fact we have run that car from 2720-2760 and never really seen an quantifiable change. We generally run it heavy now a days. But in this case it is likey due more to car set up and balance than the ultimate weight of the car within reason.

The good that has come out of this is I no longer want to spend $10k for a carbon body, it too won't be worth anything on the time slip.

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Originally posted by Curly1:
I have went back to 12 volt on one of my cars. Many who have went to 16 volt systems are now going back to 12 volt. For me the reason was because the 12 volt does not go dead as quickly. I will continue to run the 16 volt in my other car until I have any issues and then decide.

If I really needed to save weight then I would consider the Lithium batteries and weight does matter. Weight does make a difference. On my car losing 90 Lbs is about same as 42 Hp and good for about .10 second in 1/8 mile. Your mileage may vary.

Going back to a 12V system is like getting rid of LED lighting and using candles again. A 16V battery almost dead still puts out 14Volts. What does your 12V battery put out, 8-9 volts? 16 volt battery is still better than a 12V.

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Originally posted by 434 olds:

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Originally posted by Curly1:
I have went back to 12 volt on one of my cars. Many who have went to 16 volt systems are now going back to 12 volt. For me the reason was because the 12 volt does not go dead as quickly. I will continue to run the 16 volt in my other car until I have any issues and then decide.

If I really needed to save weight then I would consider the Lithium batteries and weight does matter. Weight does make a difference. On my car losing 90 Lbs is about same as 42 Hp and good for about .10 second in 1/8 mile. Your mileage may vary.

Going back to a 12V system is like getting rid of LED lighting and using candles again. A 16V battery almost dead still puts out 14Volts. What does your 12V battery put out, 8-9 volts? 16 volt battery is still better than a 12V.

He continously makes the same unfounded statement about 16v batteries, meanwhile I have been running XS D16 and sometimes S16 for 10 years with no issues double entered etc in my dragster and door car before that

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Originally posted by 434 olds:


Going back to a 12V system is like getting rid of LED lighting and using candles again. A 16V battery almost dead still puts out 14Volts. What does your 12V battery put out, 8-9 volts? 16 volt battery is still better than a 12V.

Just so you know, a 16v battery making 15v is just as dead as a 12v battery making 11v when it comes to hitting the start button!

Nothing wrong with either system when properly installed. Many just band aid electrical issues existing in their 12v system switching to 16v!

Ed,

What happens when a Pro Stock car goes over the scales 40 lbs light?

If weight doesn't matter, why do we have scales... lol

You know it matters and impacts performance. If you did an A B A on the same day and don't see its impact on the time slip, I'd look for an issue cuz something is holding it back!

Al we ain’t racing pro stock cars and I did not say “weight doesn’t matter”, those are your words. I said a 40lb. weight savings in my 1800+lb. dragster isn’t with any reduction in ET on the time slip.

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
NOTHING on mine

How much were you hoping to see from the weight reduction?