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18 holes, no mulligans.

18 holes, as many mulligans as you afford to buy.

Which takes more skill?
 
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Not everyone is cut out for local racing, as the record has shown.
 
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No one is forcing any of you to race big money races. Do whatever makes you happy. If you don’t like them then don’t go. But don’t complain when all the other people going are having fun doing it. That’s their decision.


I absolutely agree with that I do not want to hinder anyone doing what they like. We need all of the different races to keep the tracks open and our sport. Just because I do not enjoy running the big money races please do not interpret that to think I want them gone.


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Big races multiple entry's. Multiple buybacks.

Small races one entry. One buyback.

Which takes more skill?

Which is a numbers game (gambling) and which is skill?


So you think the Big Money races are not about skill but Buybacks and multiple entries? Right.......

Both require a lot of skill and sometimes a little luck to. I have won a bunch of races but I think in most every race there has been a lucky round where I would say I won it more on luck more than skill.

Those big money races draw in some of best in the Country and there are no easy rounds. To act like the Big money races are a game of attrition and not skill is totally wrong.


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Big races multiple entry's. Multiple buybacks.

Small races one entry. One buyback.

Which takes more skill?

Which is a numbers game (gambling) and which is skill?


So you think the Big Money races are not about skill but Buybacks and multiple entries? Right.......

Both require a lot of skill and sometimes a little luck to. I have won a bunch of races but I think in most every race there has been a lucky round where I would say I won it more on luck more than skill.

Those big money races draw in some of best in the Country and there are no easy rounds. To act like the Big money races are a game of attrition and not skill is totally wrong.


Those are interesting answers you've given, to a simple question.

Here it is again.


Big races multiple entry's. Multiple buybacks.

Small races one entry. One buyback.

Which takes more skill? Confused
 
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Past weekend I raced at a race I normally would avoid---paid 16 places with a min car count of 80 which meant 64 got nothing. And if they hit 18 its nothing and then only 9 get paid. Any way curfew got them and there were 8 left so at least 16 got paid. Also they probably had 150+, thats a guess and I don't know if they added to the purse in any way. But pay only 16 cars??
 
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The question is...

18 holes, no mulligans.

18 holes, as many mulligans as you can afford to pay for $$.

Which takes more skill?
 
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The question is...

18 holes, no mulligans.

18 holes, as many mulligans as you can afford to pay for $$.

Which takes more skill?


If the big money multiple entry/buyback races are easier to win (less skill needed yo say), why were you not at Valdosta for the Million(in your area) for the biggest/easiest race of the year?????
 
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If someone were to ask me how anyone on this list would do big money bracket racing.

I'd answer, it depends on how many entry's & mulligans they could afford to pay for $$.

With enough entry's & mulligans, any one of these racers win big money bracket races.

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I wouldn't be doing a single thing differently if the biggest payouts were $100. Take care. Tom Worthington


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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
The question is...

18 holes, no mulligans.

18 holes, as many mulligans as you can afford to pay for $$.

Which takes more skill?


If the big money multiple entry/buyback races are easier to win (less skill needed yo say), why were you not at Valdosta for the Million(in your area) for the biggest/easiest race of the year?????


Never said it was easy.

I said it is a numbers game, and it is.

You won't find out who's the most skillful / best racer until there's one car, one entry.

At the local level it is established who's the most skillful best racer, most tracks with one car one entry.
 
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Lottery = odds fixed and only improved by mutiple tickets.

Big buck races = odds better with multiple entry*.

* = these odds can be improved with preparation, reliable dial and driver not watching butterflies fly by. Each racer can impact odds by being ready and making less mistakes than other lane.

I will get to some of the big buck events only when I feel confidence with both me and car. At least my grandkids will get to watch.
 
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If we're naive enough to measure greatness by the number of entry's and mulligans.

Then Biden is the greatest President of all times!

Good thing we're not naive enough, right!!? Confused
 
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No race should pay more than $3000 or have buy backs. Money has ruined this sport and taken the fun out of it.


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Mike that race I mentioned above had no double entries. BUT for some reason some were driving the same car in both classes. I also know of one person that was driving 3 different cars under 3 different names. They just had more cars than they knew what to do with.
 
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Skilled racers will win no matter the entry format. The chaff will be separated from the grain. The cream will rise to the top.
 
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I didn’t bust my ass building my race car to race it for trophies. I have plenty of those when I raced BMX. I race for money be it 1000 dollars or a million. It makes no difference to me. But I won’t race for no lousy trophy but that’s just me.



That's kinda sad.
I like driving my car on a prepped surface, without having to watch for cops, and if I turn on a win light, I get to do it again.

I've had lots of fun turning on win lamps in an '89 Escort wagon, for God's sake.... Big Grin


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I didn’t bust my ass building my race car to race it for trophies. I have plenty of those when I raced BMX. I race for money be it 1000 dollars or a million. It makes no difference to me. But I won’t race for no lousy trophy but that’s just me.



That's kinda sad.
I like driving my car on a prepped surface, without having to watch for cops, and if I turn on a win light, I get to do it again.

I've had lots of fun turning on win lamps in an '89 Escort wagon, for God's sake.... Big Grin


I never said I race on the streets and I don't. I was talking about bracket racing at the track

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Would I still race?? What time do the gates open?!?!


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Payout is nice, fair entry fee is nicer and if there are buybacks keep them reasonable. I can enjoy a Friday night test and tune with a $20 gamblers race.
 
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