Wonder who will be the first to spend that same fine of $25K to face-palm/open-handed punch the multi-time fuel funny car champ (or any other driver) next time he/they decides to go deep in an effort to gain an advantage in the heat of competition? The table has been set. I'll bet this type of (assault) infraction won't be handled the same way next time...



Dan

When I 1st saw this, I was thinking "man, he's lucky he's doing this in California". The reason I was thinking that is i know a few people that carry inside their fire suits. unprovoked physical attacks could be bad for your health.


Joe

Why are we still calling this a punch? Don't most punches contain a fist?

Should anyone, anytime get a $25k fine for pushing someone's face? At a bracket race? On the street? Is it worse somehow when a rich white guy does it? Should all of our punishments in life be relative to how much we make? Poor people pay nothing for a speeding ticket? If you are transporting a luxury item like a race car.....it's 100 times more than normal? Demonizing rich people is the new sport in America. Especially if they are white males.

My bet is nhra never bothers to collect . Just pissin in the wind .

It is no big Deal. I am able to sleep at night and live happily ever after. This deal is nothing, he has apologized many times and will pay the fine.

If it bothers you that much and you cant sleep at night because of it then I suggest counseling or maybe some anti-depressants.

Pages upon pages of anger on social media about a "mild" (not to me!) fine for basically a slap in a situation that ST handled very poorly.

And nothing but a few comments after it happened about Larry Dixon with a lifetime ban from his career over what?

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Pages upon pages of anger on social media about a "mild" (not to me!) fine for basically a slap in a situation that ST handled very poorly.

And nothing but a few comments after it happened about Larry Dixon with a lifetime ban from his career over what?

Good points, it looked to me like an open hand palm slap on forehead. (No, he should not have done it but not that big of a deal)

And what about Larry Dixon? What did he do? That sure as heck does not seem fair.

Bad is good. Good is bad.

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Why are we still calling this a punch? Don't most punches contain a fist?

Should anyone, anytime get a $25k fine for pushing someone's face? At a bracket race? On the street? Is it worse somehow when a rich white guy does it? Should all of our punishments in life be relative to how much we make? Poor people pay nothing for a speeding ticket? If you are transporting a luxury item like a race car.....it's 100 times more than normal? Demonizing rich people is the new sport in America. Especially if they are white males.

BRAVO..

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And what about Larry Dixon? What did he do?

He had an expired chassis tag on dragster.

Kicked him out and shunned him forever.

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And what about Larry Dixon? What did he do?

He had an expired chassis tag on dragster.

Kicked him out and shunned him forever.

He’s back in now I believe

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Why are we still calling this a punch? Don't most punches contain a fist?

Should anyone, anytime get a $25k fine for pushing someone's face? At a bracket race? On the street? Is it worse somehow when a rich white guy does it? Should all of our punishments in life be relative to how much we make? Poor people pay nothing for a speeding ticket? If you are transporting a luxury item like a race car.....it's 100 times more than normal? Demonizing rich people is the new sport in America. Especially if they are white males.

According to Dragzine, the $25,000 fine was assessed by the FCC for cursing on TV.

What makes you think people are ridiculing Torrence for anything other than what they saw with their own two eyes on TV?

Do you really believe racing enthusiasts are ridiculing Torrence because he has money??? Or because of what they saw, with their own two eyes?

The guy won the round keep in mind. There's nothing wrong with deep staging keep in mind.

Personally I think it's funnier than a fight over a chicken sandwich at Popeyes. I do feel for racers like Garlits and Muldowney etc etc etc who are watching this freak show in disbelief, I'm sure.

I only wish there were a commentator at the end of the track that could have tried to reason with Torrence over what he was ticked about, deep staging. IMO that should have been the conversation down there. That may have defused the entire situation.

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Why are we still calling this a punch? Don't most punches contain a fist?

Should anyone, anytime get a $25k fine for pushing someone's face? At a bracket race? On the street? Is it worse somehow when a rich white guy does it? Should all of our punishments in life be relative to how much we make? Poor people pay nothing for a speeding ticket? If you are transporting a luxury item like a race car.....it's 100 times more than normal? Demonizing rich people is the new sport in America. Especially if they are white males.

According to Dragzine, the $25,000 fine was assessed by the FCC for cursing on TV.

What makes you think people are ridiculing Torrence for anything other than what they saw with their own two eyes on TV?

Do you really believe racing enthusiasts are ridiculing Torrence because he has money??? Or because of what they saw, with their own two eyes?

The guy won the round keep in mind. There's nothing wrong with deep staging keep in mind.

Nobody gets that worked up over a shove alone. Switch around the players here and the reaction would be much different. Heck, I like to root for the underdog. If the best car on the property deep staged against this underdog kid and the kid shoved him for it, do you really think there would be this kind of uproar? It's just plain humorous at this point. There are people calling for ST to be banned from NHRA drag racing. And suggesting people walk away from NHRA until this is done. LOL.

I'm not suggesting that nothing be done over this. But who hasn't witnessed a grown ass man lose it and handle something this poorly in their life? Somebody gets pushed, and there ought to be a huge fine? Loss of an earned championship? Lifetime ban? Come on folks! These cars run on money and his family came to play with a22loads of it. No they didn't have to ***** themselves out to sponsors. It's their money. How is that wrong? Let's try not to lose a grip on reality with this. Nobody lost teeth or got a nose broke. I'm not even sure his hair got messed up.

All the uproar is NOT just over a shove.

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Why are we still calling this a punch? Don't most punches contain a fist?

Should anyone, anytime get a $25k fine for pushing someone's face? At a bracket race? On the street? Is it worse somehow when a rich white guy does it? Should all of our punishments in life be relative to how much we make? Poor people pay nothing for a speeding ticket? If you are transporting a luxury item like a race car.....it's 100 times more than normal? Demonizing rich people is the new sport in America. Especially if they are white males.

According to Dragzine, the $25,000 fine was assessed by the FCC for cursing on TV.

What makes you think people are ridiculing Torrence for anything other than what they saw with their own two eyes on TV?

Do you really believe racing enthusiasts are ridiculing Torrence because he has money??? Or because of what they saw, with their own two eyes?

The guy won the round keep in mind. There's nothing wrong with deep staging keep in mind.

Nobody gets that worked up over a shove alone. Switch around the players here and the reaction would be much different. Heck, I like to root for the underdog. If the best car on the property deep staged against this underdog kid and the kid shoved him for it, do you really think there would be this kind of uproar? It's just plain humorous at this point. There are people calling for ST to be banned from NHRA drag racing. And suggesting people walk away from NHRA until this is done. LOL.

I'm not suggesting that nothing be done over this. But who hasn't witnessed a grown ass man lose it and handle something this poorly in their life? Somebody gets pushed, and there ought to be a huge fine? Loss of an earned championship? Lifetime ban? Come on folks! These cars run on money and his family came to play with a22loads of it. No they didn't have to ***** themselves out to sponsors. It's their money. How is that wrong? Let's try not to lose a grip on reality with this. Nobody lost teeth or got a nose broke. I'm not even sure his hair got messed up.

All the uproar is NOT just over a shove.

There's different levels of shoving. Shoving a guy by his shoulder isn't to the level of shoving a guy by the back of his head or even to a worse degree, by his face.

To answer your question, if the shoe were on the other foot and Ferre acted like Torrence did after winning the round, no there would have been no uproar because Ferre would have been DQ'd and probably suspended by the NHRA for embarrassing drag racing on National TV.

Racing enthusiasts aren't angry because Torrence has money, they're also not angry he's obviously a talented Top Fuel driver winning back to back championships. Nah that's not why this has blown up on Facebook. Racing enthusiasts are angry because they know Torrence is too big to fail. Or in other words above the rules of capitalism or above the law because he has money.

Hey I get it, NHRA is a lot better off doing business with people with more than enough money like Torrence, than a guy like Ferre. But keep in mind it doesn't take more than enough money to win a Top Fuel championship, it takes enough money to win a Top fuel championship, if everyone is treated equally.

This is why racing enthusiasts are ticked off, they don't see a level playing field. Everyone knows if you shove a guy by his face, you get DQ'd if the track officials see it.

Personally I'd hate to see Kalitta win a championship like that, or Torrence lose one but that's capitalism or justice. Nobody is too big to fail or above the law unless there's crony capitalism in play or an unequal playing field.

Is that your assumption of how it would be? Or is there some proof to back it up? This seems to be a well accepted assumption that favor would go to the wealthy.

Just a few random comments.

I've never seen someone get mad after winning. I wonder if there's more too it than just deep staging.

Instead of a $25K fine that should get a big guy to punch Torrence. Torrence would get asked "head or gut?" then the big guy would punch him. They'd make more than $25K off the video.

(just for a disclaimer) I don't know anything about Torrence, or pretty much anything in NHRA top fuel in the past decade.

"People" (athletes, race car drivers, entertainers, politicians ect) are supposed to always act perfect..never show any emotions, ect. The 1979 fight at Daytona between Cale Yarborough and the Allisons probably brought more publicity to Nascar than any single event ever.

If NHRA and everyone else would just leave stuff alone the competitors would take care of any problems. If Torrence continues to act like a punk someone would kick his butt. That won't happen now due to fear for punishment from NHRA.

Let 'em fight if they want to fight. Let the punks be punks. Pretty soon someone who want's to fight will kick the punks butts.

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Is that your assumption of how it would be? Or is there some proof to back it up? This seems to be a well accepted assumption that favor would go to the wealthy.

Favor goes to wealth or supposed standing in third world countries, not in civilization. In civilization right and wrong is the determining factor. That's what makes it civilization. Without right and wrong there is no civilization.

Who wants drag strips to be area's in America where self evident right and wrong is considered to be subjective? If that were the case, it wouldn't be an example of civilization.

If you score a touchdown and run over to the other teams sideline and shove your opponents face, you're gonna be disqualified. This is an example of standard practice in civilization.

When you need proof of civilization, it'll already be too late. You'll be living in a third world country already.

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And what about Larry Dixon? What did he do?

He had an expired chassis tag on dragster.

Kicked him out and shunned him forever.

The fact he got caught taking out of kitty when at AJPE racing probably he nothing to with it in long run.

Was he wrong , yes. Was it near the big deal being made of it,hell no. People tend to hate a rich winner.

Hes net worth has nothing to do with what the fine should be. If Warren Buffet and I both get a speeding ticket in same town,Should the fine be $100,000 for him and $10 for me?