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Bracket Talk Bracket Talk Forum General Discussion - by FTI Deep stagers controls the treeGo | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
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DRR Sportsman |
If this actually happened at a race honoring Deep Staging and a re-run was not given, both the starter and track operator / promoter are completely in the wrong and most likely, don't understand how Deep Staging works. Eddie Tice "I've over-educated myself in all the things I shouldn't have known at all" | |||
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DRR Pro |
That is not true. Here in Division 1 we DEEP STAGERS, IE: CHEATERS, have learned how to roll in and through the Pre Stage in one smooth motion. No bumping, no fooling around, yeah, we can get hung out to dry up on our converters while the shallow stager takes their sweet old time if we stage BEFORE they even light their Pre Stage bulb. That is why I have two large trans coolers, one with a fan, so people can't screw with me. Not sure why you are so he!! bent against Deep Stagers Slyfox, but whatever, you do what you want to do, the rest of us will do what we want to do. Outlaw DEEP and find your classes with fewer and fewer cars. I will just do Top Bulb and No Box if Deep is outlawed, simple for me....... | |||
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| DRR Top Comp |
Trust me—-I understand. Let me know your rules and I will make them work for me. Mike you know who caused that mess up in Div1. Div director didn’t like what he saw. | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Yes I do, I was there racing that day. Took two to tango, and they did, or maybe their lack of staging in a timely fashion did.......  | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
I get a kick out of reading threads about this. They don't allow deep staging around here so I don't really have a dog in this fight but it seems when someone has a dissenting view of deep staging someone who is a supporter always says "you just don't understand it". LOL I'm good with people deep staging against me if they would allow it. I have to agree though, that in the case green1 laid out that the deep guy does in fact control the tree. Still doesn't mean I don't understand it or that I have a problem with it or would even care. Just an observation from a neutral party. Curtis ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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DRR Pro |
I'm NOT against deep staging, nor deep stagers, and I've made that clear. I'm opposed to holding the tree. Mike | |||
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DRR Top Comp |
...then you want the shallow stager to "control the tree". Rules were put in place to handle deep staging as fairly as possible due to the unsportsmanlike actions of the few (on both sides). People used to "race to the tree", which caused multiple issues. The reasons why the STARTER controlling the tree, as a means of keeping things fair for both the Deep stager AND the Shallow stager each in different specific situations were already detailed in my last post. __ Michael Beard - staginglight@gmail.com Staging Light Graphic Design, Printing & Event Marketing | |||
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| DRR Pro |
They will never get it....... And it could all be fixed via the timing system, with a D to recognize Deep and BOTH bulbs need to be on for "Pre Stage". But alas, no one works for free and will do this simple update for free.......  When I Deep Stage I try to get in first so the Shallow Stager doesn't get upset, but then some of them feel I rushed them...... Can not win this war. | |||
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| DRR Elite |
Nobody should ever feel bent about being rushed. If you aren't ready to stage, don't light the first bulb. I take about the littlest bumps possible, and while I'm not always in first, nobody ever has to wait, and I never get timed out. No rushing. If they feel rushed, that's their problem Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
I'm not sure who exactly if Michael and or Mike are replying to me but I do in fact get it. I do wish I knew why they stopped deep staging around my area. I know years ago it was allowed. There are some guys that race cars in our class that run 8.80-9.99 range 1/8 mile and it would be really be helpful for them. Curtis ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Nope, nothing from me. I stopped racing in Pro a few years ago because of the way Deep was handled at my home track. When they decided to actually Honor Deep I started racing in it again. If Deep is allowed, I may race in that class. If it is Honored I will most likely race in that class. If Deep is outlawed then I will not race in that class, or possibly at that track.... We do not have No Box here in Div 1, it is either full electronics or Footbrake only. | |||
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DRR Pro |
The starter 'controls' the tree at the races I go to. DEEP stagers just want a fair opportunity to get staged, since the timing system does not work for them, like it does for every other group of racers. It truly is that simple. It doesn't matter who 'don't care what the other car is doing' or 'don't understand it' or anything else. The timing system has been modified for every other situation in racing. Why not fix it for this one too? Until that happens, we will continue to handle it manually. When we see racers abusing it, we handle that as well. You might not see it posted on the internet, but I assure you there is a conversation about it. We live in a world where we want things eliminated when we don't like them. I tend to try to understand them, and create solutions. For those opposed, that is your choice and I respect it. However, promoting premier bottom bulb races, might give you a different opinion. If not, that is ok too. Jared Pennington Coalburg Racing # 1X http://worldfootbrakechallenge.com The Sportsman Drag Racing Podcast with Luke and Jed | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Nope. AutoStart controls the tree. Not at all a difficult concept. Mike | |||
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| DRR Pro |
What's not fair about AutoStart, and having the same rules and same amount of time as the driver in the other lane? Mike | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
If two Deepers get paired up, there are going to be two races. The traditional one, preceded by a race to the tree. Tony Leonard | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Honestly, and all kidding aside, that is the one scenario I will agree that calls for holding the tree and turning off auto-start. I once saw a racer skip the burnout entirely, drive around the water and drive straight to the starting line, only to lose out to his opponent who drove straight through the water and straight up to the line. Mike | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Been there done that! I don't know if anyone can stage faster than my pal James Young! While my buddy Andrew Bracuto can get from the burnout box to deep staged faster than practically anyone I know, Jim still has him beat!  It's cool, we get to have two races within 15 seconds! | |||
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| DRR Top Comp |
__ Michael Beard - staginglight@gmail.com Staging Light Graphic Design, Printing & Event Marketing | |||
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| DRR Pro |
It doesn't recognize DEEP. If you want the same rules as the driver in the other lane, autostart should recognize DEEP. We can do this all day and neither of us will concede. Autostart needs to recognize DEEP and this issue will go away forever, AND it will help grow the sport. Your way eliminates people from wanting to compete. Jared Pennington Coalburg Racing # 1X http://worldfootbrakechallenge.com The Sportsman Drag Racing Podcast with Luke and Jed | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
Jared was a great point and make it more than once. If the powers that write these programs can make Tru-Start they should be able to make auto start with DEEP , but they need motivation from a powerful source . HAVE THEY CALLED US YET ? THEY HAVE!!! | |||
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