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I wasn't comparing the two forms of racing. I was merely stating that in one form, the crowd can't wait to watch the intentional crash and in the other form, you get 1000's of comments on social media about a guy that never intended to wreck anyone. He did a very dumb thing, but it just seems interesting to me that in other types of racing, a much worse action gets cheered and it is accepted by the masses.

David, in this situation, the center line would have to be imagined since it was well past the finish line. That is why there is no rule on crossing once the race is over. It is the discretion of the promoter/rules official at that point. Where was my stretch?


The reason I got into bracket racing instead of the roundy-roundy stuff was because I didn't have to worry about someone tearing up my stuff. Things happen, yes, we call them racing incidents or accidents and they are rare. What this guy did was neither a racing incident nor was it an accident.

How does this look to all the young drivers out there? Where do we draw the line? Do we have to wait until someone purposely tears up some else's stuff?


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I wasn't comparing the two forms of racing. I was merely stating that in one form, the crowd can't wait to watch the intentional crash and in the other form, you get 1000's of comments on social media about a guy that never intended to wreck anyone. He did a very dumb thing, but it just seems interesting to me that in other types of racing, a much worse action gets cheered and it is accepted by the masses.

David, in this situation, the center line would have to be imagined since it was well past the finish line. That is why there is no rule on crossing once the race is over. It is the discretion of the promoter/rules official at that point. Where was my stretch?


If this is going to be considered acceptable and aplaudible, then just be aware, people like Hunter may end up getting their cars run over on a constant basis. Basically, if you lose anything goes.
 
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I hope he does come back a better man for it.......


I know one thing for sure. Pretty much ANYONE who turns on a win like opposite Hunter in the future will be rapping the throttle after the finish line. Probably all the way back to the pits.


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I know Hunter and he is a good person.

Jared, what exactly does that mean? I certainly don’t “know him”, never spoke to him and have no reason to before no mind now snd I’m old enough to be his father. What I know of him is this incident and another incident that is all over Facebook. Based on these 2 incidents, he’s not a good person.


It literally sounds like the grieving mother of a 14 times convicted felon being interviewed on TV after police shot and killed him. "He was a good boy, he was turning his life around, he never did nuthin wrong. He's a God fearing boy"
 
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I am not applauding the action, nor do I accept it as a simple mistake. It is 100% unacceptable and deserves any and all punishment that is handed out. I've stated publicly that it has to be handled the right way, to keep others from thinking it is ok to do it and just apologize to make it go away.


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Is there any way to block another member so that you don’t have to read or even see their posts? Like walking away online when someone just won’t shut the hell up.
 
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I know Hunter and he is a good person.

Jared, what exactly does that mean? I certainly don’t “know him”, never spoke to him and have no reason to before no mind now snd I’m old enough to be his father. What I know of him is this incident and another incident that is all over Facebook. Based on these 2 incidents, he’s not a good person.


It literally sounds like the grieving mother of a 14 times convicted felon being interviewed on TV after police shot and killed him. "He was a good boy, he was turning his life around, he never did nuthin wrong. He's a God fearing boy"


Yep! Sounds EXACTLY the same. Roll Eyes


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I think it is reasonable to expect a promoter, track owner, or sanctioning body to handle incidents like this one so we as racers don't have to handle it on our own. I'm 59 years old. I don't need a ride in the back of a police car, I don't need my mugshot on the internet, I don't need a meeting with a judge, etc. I'm at a point in my life where I'm way past all that ignorant redneck crap. When the promoter does NOTHING, it paints you in a box to where you either have to let it go (which really chaps your a$$ and leads to future incidents) or go get involved in some Jerry Springer mess. Promoter is this instance REALLY did his customers a huge disservice. I tip my cap to NHRA for stepping up.


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Ya'll are beating this to death with hypotheticals. Nothing happened!!

I had an elderly man loose control of a golf cart and plow into the back of my Nova at Sunshine. He hit the car so hard it bent the bumper and track locator on the rearend before first rd.

I was worried about the old man not the damage, the son didn't come over wanting to fight, nobody got thrown out or mad.

99% of the people at the drag strip are good people, if they run into YOU, they offer without any suggestion to pay for damages.

If this kid would have plowed into Trey, which he didn't, he would've offered to pay without suggestion, same as the old mans son did.

If I would've went postal about the old man confusing the gas pedal and brakes on the golf cart, I guarantee there would have been a fight.

Nothing happened!!

You watch, if this kid is worth a damn at all, he and Trey will end up friends.
so the old guy ran into you on purpose?

Oh, yeah that's not what happened. That was an accident. How does this relate to hunter's INTENTIONAL act? It doesn't.
 
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When the no name racer or non cool kid does it then the promoter will react Big Grin


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Is there any way to block another member so that you don’t have to read or even see their posts? Like walking away online when someone just won’t shut the hell up.


Click on their user name in blue and then add to ignore list. Easy peasy.



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I hope he does come back a better man for it.......


I know one thing for sure. Pretty much ANYONE who turns on a win like opposite Hunter in the future will be rapping the throttle after the finish line. Probably all the way back to the pits.


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Originally posted by Jared:
I wasn't comparing the two forms of racing. I was merely stating that in one form, the crowd can't wait to watch the intentional crash and in the other form, you get 1000's of comments on social media about a guy that never intended to wreck anyone. He did a very dumb thing, but it just seems interesting to me that in other types of racing, a much worse action gets cheered and it is accepted by the masses.

David, in this situation, the center line would have to be imagined since it was well past the finish line. That is why there is no rule on crossing once the race is over. It is the discretion of the promoter/rules official at that point. Where was my stretch?


The big stretch, is that people show up at the roundy roundy expecting to see wrecks. Only the no prep crowd shows up looking for wrecks at the drag strip. Must be the reason bracket racing doesn't have a crowd.



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I know Hunter and he is a good person. He messed up and he has to deal with it. I look forward to him getting this behind him and moving forward with his life.


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I know Hunter and he is a good person.

Jared, what exactly does that mean? I certainly don’t “know him”, never spoke to him and have no reason to before no mind now snd I’m old enough to be his father. What I know of him is this incident and another incident that is all over Facebook. Based on these 2 incidents, he’s not a good person.


Ed, in my opinion, good people have bad runs too. I've talked to Hunter many times. He has never had a cross word with me, nor has he said one about anyone else. We have talked about life AND racing. He has/had a good outlook on life (at least on the surface). I think Hunter could be going through some difficult times, and he has made them even more difficult lately. We all use poor judgment at times. Unfortunately for Hunter, his decisions were very public and VERY poor. However, the public nature of it might be exactly what he needed, in order to get control of himself again. I won't judge him by these actions alone. I try to look at the person that I know, and let that guide my judgment. Either way you view him, you're probably right. I think the ones that know him, know he isn't as bad as he is perceived to be right now. Those that don't know him, will only have his latest antics to go by, but he earned the negative thoughts. It is so politically correct to say, but I understand why people are tearing him apart, but I also understand why some are sad for him and hate to see him going through this even though he has no one to blame but himself.

By the way, I know you and like you a lot. Although you've never done anything like this, you've ruffled a feather or two over the years. I tell people the same about you ,whether they like it or not. You're a good person, but based on what others (that don't know you) have seen/heard of you, they judge you and want to tear you down. You and Hunter are way different people, but people will still judge both of you the same, until they get to know you.


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Originally posted by SlyFox:
I think it is reasonable to expect a promoter, track owner, or sanctioning body to handle incidents like this one so we as racers don't have to handle it on our own. I'm 59 years old. I don't need a ride in the back of a police car, I don't need my mugshot on the internet, I don't need a meeting with a judge, etc. I'm at a point in my life where I'm way past all that ignorant redneck crap. When the promoter does NOTHING, it paints you in a box to where you either have to let it go (which really chaps your a$$ and leads to future incidents) or go get involved in some Jerry Springer mess. Promoter is this instance REALLY did his customers a huge disservice. I tip my cap to NHRA for stepping up.


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Ya'll are beating this to death with hypotheticals. Nothing happened!!

I had an elderly man lose control of a golf cart and plow into the back of my Nova at Sunshine. He hit the car so hard it bent the bumper and track locator on the rearend, before first rd.

I was worried about the eldetly man, not the damage. The son didn't come over wanting to fight, and nobody got thrown out or mad.

99% of the people at the drag strip are good people, if they run into YOU, they offer without any suggestion to pay for damages.

If this kid would have plowed into Trey, which he didn't, he would've offered to pay without suggestion, same as the elderly mans son did.

If I would've went postal about the elderly man confusing the gas pedal and brake pedal on the golf cart, I guarantee there would have been a fight.

Nothing happened!!

You watch, if this kid is worth a damn at all, he and Trey will end up friends.
so the old guy ran into you on purpose?

Oh, yeah that's not what happened. That was an accident. How does this relate to hunter's INTENTIONAL act? It doesn't.


Ill thinking paints you into a corner. Ask Hunter when he completes anger management, he'll explain it to you.


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I believe this whole incident comes to light because the staging process is flawed and it should be reviewed and adjusted. No one has a "right" to stage last, the way to stop the starting line games is in two ways, the first is to time out either or both racers if they refuse to light their stage bulb when both pre's are on, if your not ready to stage then don't light your pre-stage bulb, I'd set the time-out to 20 seconds once both competitors are pre-staged, if you can't bump in by then you have to relearn your staging process. My second would be an automatic redlight if your stage bulb goes off after the autostart is engaged, I don't care if you say your car backed out of the beams, fix it!

Another pet peeve of mine is the stupid "staged at starter go", let autostart do it's job, the only time a starter should over-ride it is if there is a problem on track such as debris or a car that has failed to clear. I once got 7 staged at starter go's in a row which really throws your cadence off as he can hold it til all four bulbs are lit, when I got together with the track owner and starter they said it was because I staged too fast, they were giving the other guy more time?? REALLY? That ain't how it works.

Many times when racing guys would come up to me and say "This guy won't stage first", well your really think that would get into my head?, it doesn't make my blood boil and it doesn't make me have a vengeance, it just tells me he has a deficiency that he can't overcome and he needs help.

As far as ripping the throttle in your opponents face after you beat him? it's totally disrespectful.
 
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I believe this whole incident comes to light because the staging process is flawed and it should be reviewed and adjusted. No one has a "right" to stage last, the way to stop the starting line games is in two ways, the first is to time out either or both racers if they refuse to light their stage bulb when both pre's are on, if your not ready to stage then don't light your pre-stage bulb, I'd set the time-out to 20 seconds once both competitors are pre-staged, if you can't bump in by then you have to relearn your staging process. My second would be an automatic redlight if your stage bulb goes off after the autostart is engaged, I don't care if you say your car backed out of the beams, fix it!



Agreed but make the timeout 15 seconds. That should give them plenty of time to loosen the belts, stick their head 1-2' out of the cage, position their flip flops and bump it 100 times to stage.

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Need a timer from burnout to pre stage too. Some guys take a half hour or more to find the pre stage beam.

Couple times over the years I had to get out of the car and stick my foot out to help. Roll Eyes
 
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I guess our home track was way ahead of its time. We had a 20 second shot clock mounted right on the tree.


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Ill thinking is caring about staging last or first, otherwise your opponent couldn't use it against you.

It's like caring if someone rips the throttle on you after the stripe. If you care, it will be exposed and used against you.
 
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