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Originally posted by fuzzy dice:
I am all for freedom of speech but there are some things that cross the line notwithstanding the law...crying fire in a movie theater or burning the flag for instance...calling for anyone's death may be legal but it is wrong...the guy's ego clearly took ever...money warps some folks and he is one...

As to the rain out stuff, again, if it was posted anywhere on the flyer or even told to us at the gate when we paid, I am fine...don't spring it on us out of the blue is all I am saying...this goes to his ego again...btw, he admitted he made a mistake a couple of months later on FB...we are good, Mike...

People deal with anger in different ways obviously LoL. What are we talking about here Fuzzy? We're talking about nothing in reality, we both know it's not right when angry, to get on FB to wish people dead. So what, it's done and over and nobody is dead or gonna die LoL. Are we pretending wishing people dead is low on the list of stupid chit people do when they're angry?

From the looks of it they came up with plan B and are sending spectators and racers to an exit 5 miles up 75 to avoid conflict and hassles. I'm completely unbiased and could care less either way other than freedom to call out injustice. I don't agree with how it was done but on the other hand I'm not gonna pretend people don't wish people they're angry with dead, in the heat of the moment. I see it all the time.

As far as the split goes you have every right to be angry too, if you think you're right and the promoter was wrong.

I'm just informing you of a matter of fact. There's no rain outs and no cancellations. To bad we don't have that problem everywhere we haul our race cars to race eh?

We're talking about a bunch of nothing here. The only reason I'm here is to defend the right to call out injustice anywhere it raises its ugly head. Without that right, there is no freedom. Freedom / liberty requires justice.

No, were talking about a f'n idiot that has no class...how much does this fool pay to win anyway?

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Originally posted by TORQIN:
No, were talking about a f'n idiot that has no class...how much does this fool pay to win anyway?

I have no idea how much the race's payout is. I'm a drag racing enthusiast just like you. I have no problem with a promoter making a few bucks for their efforts, only because I've promoted a couple race's myself and understand the stress that goes along with it, so for these reasons, I could care less how much. Luckily the second of the two races I promoted, was according to the announcer at Sunshine Dragstrip from 1969, the biggest night time event in the history of the drag strip. I didn't make a penny but I'll tell ya this, for the stress involved, I wouldn't and didn't do it for free again. It's not as easy as it appears.

How about you? Have you put on a drag race? It's a lot of stress and work.

Answer me this as well while you're at it. Have you read any of the reports from racer's and eyewitnesses of what is going on? If not you might wanna do that.

It kinda sounds like the movie Billy Jack or Roadhouse.

I have no problem with people / individuals calling out injustice, how about you?

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Seriously, take this how ya like...

I know and have raced with some there at this race.

I have not ran a race but can say I have attended and paid many of an entry fee over the years.

I wondered the payout to see if it would overcome the guy being an idiot.

I hope it's ok I still think the guy is a f'n idiot...you seriously dont have to agree.

It's all good whether you do or don't.

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Originally posted by TORQIN:
Seriously, take this how ya like...

I know and have raced with some there at this race.

I have not ran a race but can say I have attended and paid many of an entry fee over the years.

I wondered the payout to see if it would overcome the guy being an idiot.

I hope it's ok I still think the guy is a f'n idiot...you seriously dont have to agree.

It's all good whether you do or don't.

So irregardless of reports from drag racers attending, spectators (eyewitnesses) of what's going on, you felt it more important to discuss your feelings towards a drag racing promoter by saying he's a "F'n idiot", than to comment on the reports made by spectators, drag racers of what is going on? Or You don't care about the reports from eyewitnesses on what's going on, the guy is a "no class F'n idiot" and that's all anyone needs to know?

What are we talking about here? Nothing eh? Like I said before eh?

https://youtu.be/kdZV30zVKEY

You nailed it with me Mike! The guy was an idiot before this weekend IMO.

I'm gonna be ok if you have a difference in opinion.

It's ok to have different opinions.

I can't change how this guy acts or what he says...but I can state my opinion if I choose to.

Remember it's all about choices. He made his and I have made mine.

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Originally posted by TORQIN:
You nailed it with me Mike! The guy was an idiot before this weekend IMO.

I'm gonna be ok if you have a difference in opinion.

It's ok to have different opinions.

I can't change how this guy acts or what he says...but I can state my opinion if I choose to.

Remember it's all about choices. He made his and I have made mine.

You sure can and I have no problem with you or anyone doing so.

I do find it interesting how many Americans are letting there emotions overwhelm their ability to view things objectively. It's like Trump, no matter how much evidence he brings to the table indicating, for the safety and freedom of Americans, the boarder needs secured, in the minds of the lefties Trump is a no good SOB racist, even though the lefties proposed the same measures 2 - 3 years ago.

I've known Donald thirty years plus from back when we were street racing on the bridge. I did his x- wife puddins transmissions in her outlaw drag radial car for ten years, he and I were not particularly friendly then or now or ever, but I respect him for standing up to a authority throwing their weight around on his racer's and spectators, if reports from eyewitnesses being reported are true. You see that's the overreaching value here, freedom. If we all go around talking down sealing off the boarder because we think the guy sealing off the boarder is a no good SOB like the lefties do to Trump, how is that gonna be beneficial for the future generations freedom and security? It's not, that's identity politics. F" that guy I don't like him, he doesn't represent the side I identify.

I can tell you this, Donald isn't dumb, he wants to get along, he knows it's in his best interest, but he's not gonna bend over to get along. Anyone who can't respect that, I'm SMH, I don't know what to think about some Americans anymore.

IMO people need to put aside their emotions and start addressing issues rationally. Otherwise it's just identity politics like that guy is "no class F'n idiot", that's all anyone needs to know and matters.

If we can't deal with issue's rationally / objectively, like is being alleged. We're only inviting the same misconduct on our own family and friends.

Keep in mind freedom can't exist without justice, right and wrong.

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This guy and Tim McAnus both seem to think they are the only answer to any racers problems...Both are kinda self important for sure.....

In my humble opinion of course....

We are all entitled to our opinions just not our own facts...I did not care for this guy after my run in with him ...my point is simply his ego has taken over and it is not a pretty site...he is a richard cranium and that about it...

A funny side note is I got a ticket when I raced in his event...I had come to the track and left my meds in the hotel...I went back between rounds to get them...on my return, the line to get in was stupid long and I was afraid of missing my call...I followed a bunch of others on the wrong side of the road shoulder thinking they had already been in, and they had, and knew of a way to get in quicker...we were all wrong and over 20 of us got tickets...cost me $100 but it was my fault so I paid it and did not *****...

You break the law you pay the consequences, very simple...you do not cry like a baby or wish harm on folks...anyway, it does not surprise me that he went to a pay per view deal with speed vision...I wish this promoter luck but kind of think he is shooting himself in the foot with his attitude....we'll see...

Good luck and happy racing everyone...see you around the water cooler, Mike...

Donald Long is simply speaking the language of his customer base. Just one of many reasons that I am not a customer.

I don't know Donald but have to admit that show was just packed with people.stands where just filled and tons of nice fast cars in attendance.

someone is doing something right

You dont have to be smart, cool, or think b4 you speak to be successful. Even I could be an example of that. Duck can do it how he likes, it's his show!

His wife apologized for his statements...

Okay he does have Freedom of Speech I guess he can say that if he wants to.

But..... There is consequences for your actions and he may not like that. For instance if he thinks the police were bad there before wait until next time. The police may be there stopping and harassing everyone going to the race. They could set up traps every where for his next race. Police are very vindictive and will use their power to do what they want and it is not a good idea to "Poke the Bear"

Also police keep records in there computers so every time they run his plates or pull him over for anything they may give him a full ration of Excrement.

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Originally posted by fuzzy dice:

You break the law you pay the consequences, very simple...you do not cry like a baby or wish harm on folks...anyway, it does not surprise me that he went to a pay per view deal with speed vision...I wish this promoter luck but kind of think he is shooting himself in the foot with his attitude....we'll see...

Police are public servants there to protect and serve. Imagine the publicity good police work would get if the police working the traffic jam surrounding the track, were there to serve by working to insure racers in the race, weren't stuck in the traffic jam.

That's how America used to work together for common causes. Now apparently, it's all about the revenue stream. Mayberry USA is not cool. It's all about who can F' the other guy better and harder and faster.

Social Darwinism.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t he charge racers insane fees. Isn’t there a daily fee for your pit vehicle? Daily fee for tow vehicle, trailer, etc?

The amount of irony in this thread is absolutely staggering. No one has had their freedom of speech curtailed. No one is being politically correct. The idea that someone could POSSIBLY manage to express discontent without wishing someone to be killed is now relegated to being "politically correct" is ludicrous.

He has every right to say what he said. It was certainly revealing of his character. Everyone else has just as much right to regard him accordingly.

Don't think for one minute that won't possibly have a long and reaching effect on the "Whole" racing community. FOS or not. Better have your *** in order. Lets hope not.

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Originally posted by Phil Dees:
Donald Long is simply speaking the language of his customer base. Just one of many reasons that I am not a customer.

Bingo !

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:
The amount of irony in this thread is absolutely staggering. No one has had their freedom of speech curtailed. No one is being politically correct. The idea that someone could POSSIBLY manage to express discontent without wishing someone to be killed is now relegated to being "politically correct" is ludicrous.

He has every right to say what he said. It was certainly revealing of his character. Everyone else has just as much right to regard him accordingly.

Then again we could be overly pretentious about the whole thing, in pretending very few people make this mistake when they're ticked off eh?

Would that be considered ludicrous, politically correct or all of the above?

We could also pretend people don't say things they really don't mean when they're ticked off.

We could also pretend saying it points to ones nature while thinking it doesn't.

The possibilities are endless but at the end of the day no one died and the dude expressed his objections to reports from spectators, racers and eyewitness, of misconduct. And because he was able to do so, who knows maybe there will be progress. To pretend the police would be vindictive, is to admit the police throw their weight around and you're ok with the police throwing their weight around, as long as they throw it around on someone else. Personally I believe it is a small minority of police, who throw their weight around. So IMO there will most likely be progress.

But carry on pretentiously if it'll make you feel better. I might even narrate the madness.

What are we talking about here a bunch of nothing? Or are you dying to tell us what you'd have done if you were the promoter?

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The guy has been an a$$ for a long time and he has the freedom to express whatever he feels like. He just doesn't have a protected right to say it without repercussion.

Contrary to the uttered bs above.