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Originally posted by 6Volt:
If you are going to allow doubles and you are going to separate dragsters and door cars, call doorcars to once set of lanes, and dragsters to the other at the same time, and alternate back and forth between running door car pairs and dragster pairs. That way the guy doubling his one dragster doesn't have to haul ass back up to the lanes on his second entry only to run the same guy he just ran thats also doubled. It always seems like the dragsters that double all end up running each other over and over all weekend, while the door car doubles have all the time in world.

We have actually done this at some Loose Rocker events.

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Originally posted by Tom Reyer:
Car and driver can only go down the track once per round.
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Doubles should have to run other doubles, why should they get to pick on guys who are single entered in a race?

If I am single entered, second round I have gone down the track one time. A double entered car could be on his 4th run of the day and I have made one. At the big races that take 4-5 hours to complete a round and don't give time runs its a big deal. They double and want to prey on the single entered guys.

This is bracket racing, level the field for everyone.

I agree with whomper on this...if your single entered at a double entry race that is on you and a choice you made.

All types of doubles or no doubles

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Originally posted by WHOMPWHOMP:

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Originally posted by Tom Reyer:
Car and driver can only go down the track once per round.
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Doubles should have to run other doubles, why should they get to pick on guys who are single entered in a race?

If I am single entered, second round I have gone down the track one time. A double entered car could be on his 4th run of the day and I have made one. At the big races that take 4-5 hours to complete a round and don't give time runs its a big deal. They double and want to prey on the single entered guys.

This is bracket racing, level the field for everyone.

WRONG...if your gonna have doubles you gotta have ALL DOUBLES....don’t cater to the rich guys that’s got 14 racecars to my one....

That is a confusing post, lol.

By allowing doubles, you ARE catering to the rich guys (unless you are saying EVERYONE doubles and there are no single entries)

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Originally posted by TORQIN:

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Originally posted by Tom Reyer:
Car and driver can only go down the track once per round.
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Doubles should have to run other doubles, why should they get to pick on guys who are single entered in a race?

If I am single entered, second round I have gone down the track one time. A double entered car could be on his 4th run of the day and I have made one. At the big races that take 4-5 hours to complete a round and don't give time runs its a big deal. They double and want to prey on the single entered guys.

This is bracket racing, level the field for everyone.

I agree with whomper on this...if your single entered at a double entry race that is on you and a choice you made.

All types of doubles or no doubles

This post was "If You Had ONE Recommendation What Would It Be?"

I've always raced on a budget. I would like to see single entry races to level the field for us racers who either decide not to double or can't afford to double enter.

I get what your saying but I disagree with you.

I agree with you if I had my choice coming thru the gate I would say no doubles of any kind...even if you break...but if you allow any then ALL DOUBLES should be allowed...

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I've always raced on a budget. I would like to see single entry races to level the field for us racers who either decide not to double or can't afford to double enter.

Again, the problem becomes "What happens to the price of entry fees and/or buybacks without double entries?" If there are no double entries, and the entry fee goes up substantially to make up for it, then the racer budget comes back into play. Catch 22.

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

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I've always raced on a budget. I would like to see single entry races to level the field for us racers who either decide not to double or can't afford to double enter.

Again, the problem becomes "What happens to the price of entry fees and/or buybacks without double entries?" If there are no double entries, and the entry fee goes up substantially to make up for it, then the racer budget comes back into play. Catch 22.

What percentage double vs single entries?

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Originally posted by Racer442olds:

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Originally posted by chasracer:

The promoter has a dead-on number for entries that allows him/her to pay the purse as listed plus cover overhead and make a profit. I say that once that number is reached, then ANY additional monies from double entries, buy-backs or re-entries gets added to the semi-final losers and back - hopefully deeper than normal.

Who runs a business this way? Shouldn't they be as successful as they make it? Most people want races that guarantee money... so when they dont hit their number are you making up for it? That is asinine. When I work my butt off at work and earn a bonus should I redistribute that because I already made the money I needed?

AND THERE YOU GO...lets all just be as f'ng greedy as we can...no problem.

I'll never agree to a purse split again and just think Chris - I have you to thank for it.

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Originally posted by Tom Reyer:

By allowing doubles, you ARE catering to the rich guys

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read, today.

Bracket racing, even though a mere empty shell of what it once was, still caters to talent.

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Originally posted by chasracer:

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Originally posted by Racer442olds:

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Originally posted by chasracer:

The promoter has a dead-on number for entries that allows him/her to pay the purse as listed plus cover overhead and make a profit. I say that once that number is reached, then ANY additional monies from double entries, buy-backs or re-entries gets added to the semi-final losers and back - hopefully deeper than normal.

Who runs a business this way? Shouldn't they be as successful as they make it? Most people want races that guarantee money... so when they dont hit their number are you making up for it? That is asinine. When I work my butt off at work and earn a bonus should I redistribute that because I already made the money I needed?

AND THERE YOU GO...lets all just be as f'ng greedy as we can...no problem.

I'll never agree to a purse split again and just think Chris - I have you to thank for it.

This just took the lead as the dumbest thing I've read.

So, after you pay your bills, who do you give the rest of your money to every week? Frickin socialist commies.

Maybe one day unicef will get into the bracket race promotions business for ya.

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Originally posted by Tom Reyer:

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Originally posted by WHOMPWHOMP:

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Originally posted by Tom Reyer:
Car and driver can only go down the track once per round.
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Doubles should have to run other doubles, why should they get to pick on guys who are single entered in a race?

If I am single entered, second round I have gone down the track one time. A double entered car could be on his 4th run of the day and I have made one. At the big races that take 4-5 hours to complete a round and don't give time runs its a big deal. They double and want to prey on the single entered guys.

This is bracket racing, level the field for everyone.

WRONG...if your gonna have doubles you gotta have ALL DOUBLES....don’t cater to the rich guys that’s got 14 racecars to my one....

That is a confusing post, lol.

By allowing doubles, you ARE catering to the rich guys (unless you are saying EVERYONE doubles and there are no single entries)

As I said previously, doubles allows for me and a friend to load up 1 car in a trailer and go racing as we can split the fuel cost and other items and go racing for cheaper

As Beard has said, it also lowers the entry fees most of the time. So doubles actually helps out the little guy as well who is trying to race on the budget.

Sure someone can have 4 entries in a race, but who cares... you still have to beat the guy beside you each round

Allowing double entries with single car.

Not everyone wants to share thier car or owns 2 cars. I dont get what the difference is and why it's not allowed.

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Originally posted by HS professor:
Why do people not like a promoter fielding a car ??? Never really understood that unless there's a cap on entries. As long as everyone plays by the rules what's the difference.

from what I've read in the past, the round car count can be manipulated to decrease pay outs by creating an odd number of cars in pay rounds. Say creating a 3 car semi final instead of a 4 car semi. Thus paying only 1 semi loser instead of 2 semi losers.

So, long ago I chased these added purse races all over the East. None had double entries or buy backs and the promoters all made money. Ron Leek, Royce Miller, and George Howard come to mind during those times. I was there when Royce Miller and Terry Sinke came up with the buy back idea and now its the standard. Don't remember when double entries came about but now that is also the standard. The races made money then so whats the difference now?

Reason for the re entry round...saves um money...

They made little money before the buy back...now they make enough money to raise the purses and give back more...you can thank the buy back for that. Races that succeed without the buy back have enough entries to cover expenses and still have profits. ITS a choice to buy back, just like double entering...YOU (individually) make the choice!

Double entry, single entry, buy backs, no buy backs, pin the tail on the donkey, race in shorts, break rule, crash rule, tell us the rules and let's race...JMO

I like the format of these big money races (define BIG Money, for me $20k or more). Doubles of any kind, buy back to re-entry (this only allows 1 chance to buy back in a very large field). Only one practice run for the entire weekend (multiple if you double) and this includes any warm up races prior to the big money race. Separated Door Car and Dragster until the final round.

To me these rules (and other promoter offerings) can bring the very largest of racer participation to drive the larger payout purses that a promoter needs to successfully hold these type of events.

With the entry fee cost at some races what's the big deal in raising the entry more to do away with buybacks period ....lol...looks like it is just money anyway ...

Just from an outsider's perspective, why would promoters be looking for any changes at all? Seriously. All I keep hearing is how these big buck races are growing every year. The purses get bigger and the number of entries continue to grow year in and year out.

What's that saying? If you continue to do what you've always done, you'll continue to get what you've always gotten. Well, I would think these promoters would be pretty happy to continue to get what they are getting! Making any change at all could potentially upset the apple cart.

Local track bracket racing participation is fading in the wind. These big buck events are taking off like crazy. Why risk killing (or even wounding) The Golden Goose? Take care. Tom Worthington

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Originally posted by WHOMPWHOMP:
Reason for the re entry round...saves um money...

The way I view the re-entry round format is; If you're in the final round, both racers have won the same number of rounds to get there, not just bought a round win(buy-back), but bought a chance to EARN a round win(re-entry)...


Dan