I was a long way from home myself, and don't feel like everyone is "entitled" to a second try just because they lost first rd and drove a long ways to get there.

We also went with the intentions of having (3) shots at a win, not just(2).

I agree with Fern and Fuzzy, they did everything they could to keep to original flyer.

I did not make it with family hospital admission but would have been very pleased with how they adapted. I would have happily been entry 709 and 710.

Florida weather, like the rest of globe does whatever it wants. Evening dew is something we face year round. Fog is not that common but also happens. The promoter and staff made best choices available and put together a really solid event. I will happily go next year.

All the Monday morning armchair quarterbacking accomplishes nothing except show some lack the ability to see big picture.

Race or stay home, this is still a free counrty and we are lucky to still be able to race and more importantly compete (all ages) on a level playing field. Hit tree and run number and you advance.

Jones did anything there make you happy? Not even the good drinks they had one night, the fireworks, the food. I don't buy back, usually win 1st round, but others do. I don't double enter, but others do. I hate it when weather interfere with a race---2 rounds and split the money or as was done hear double the purse. Would you rather have done away with one of the races and got 1/3 of your entry back, race what you could each day and split the money between those left each of the 3 races? Most were happy with the way it went but its just impossible to satisfy everyone sometimes.

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Originally posted by Jonesz:
I was a long way from home myself, and don't feel like everyone is "entitled" to a second try just because they lost first rd and drove a long ways to get there.

We also went with the intentions of having (3) shots at a win, not just(2).

You went with the intentions of having more chances at a win, but wanted to do away with buybacks... got it.


Given the number of cars and the role that weather played, not having buybacks still would not have allowed for three complete races.

People have complained about the "marathon racing"... what racing occurred at 1am, 2am...?

Virtually every event has some circumstance that is out of anyone's control, and no matter how great the event, someone's going to have some issue with something. Given the circumstances, I think the guys did a great job, and it seems most people agree.

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:
You went with the intentions of having more chances at a win, but wanted to do away with buybacks... got it.

If the three races had been completed with no buybacks, he would have had the same odds as everyone else to win three races, not two races. Buybacks don't increase your odds of winning. They increase your cost to participate.

Michael I get your point, but Jonesz has a point as well.

He had the same odds as everyone else no matter what they did. And how many people have lost 1st round and bought back and won the race? But at this race the playing field and odds were the same for everyone.

I think this horse has been led to slaughter. No way will everybody agree.
In a few weeks the Winternationals will be at Pomona. There will be folks coming from every corner of the U.S. Thursday I think the sportsman classes get 2 hits. Friday is 1st rd and half of them will be done for the weekend. They don't have buybacks. That's how it is in this game we play.
Two go down and one comes back. That's the name of this tune.
y'all have a good day.

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Originally posted by Floyd Staggs:
In a few weeks the Winternationals will be at Pomona. There will be folks coming from every corner of the U.S. Thursday I think the sportsman classes get 2 hits. Friday is 1st rd and half of them will be done for the weekend. They don't have buybacks. That's how it is in this game we play.

this is bracket Talk not classracer, so that's not how this game is played! Big $ bracket racing is all about no tech, double entries, buybacks, mulligans, splitting, not finishing races, racing into the next morning and combining races, NONE of which is NHRA Sportsman class racing.

Ed,
I know that. I was just using that as an example. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

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Originally posted by 1320racer:

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Originally posted by Floyd Staggs:
In a few weeks the Winternationals will be at Pomona. There will be folks coming from every corner of the U.S. Thursday I think the sportsman classes get 2 hits. Friday is 1st rd and half of them will be done for the weekend. They don't have buybacks. That's how it is in this game we play.

this is bracket Talk not classracer, so that's not how this game is played! Big $ bracket racing is all about no tech, double entries, buybacks, mulligans, splitting, not finishing races, racing into the next morning and combining races, NONE of which is NHRA Sportsman class racing.

Then WHY are you hear…

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Originally posted by WHOMPWHOMP:

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Originally posted by 1320racer:

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Originally posted by Floyd Staggs:
In a few weeks the Winternationals will be at Pomona. There will be folks coming from every corner of the U.S. Thursday I think the sportsman classes get 2 hits. Friday is 1st rd and half of them will be done for the weekend. They don't have buybacks. That's how it is in this game we play.

this is bracket Talk not classracer, so that's not how this game is played! Big $ bracket racing is all about no tech, double entries, buybacks, mulligans, splitting, not finishing races, racing into the next morning and combining races, NONE of which is NHRA Sportsman class racing.

Then WHY are you hear…

He is here because no one has an opinion except him.
They kicked him off class racer.

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If you have one entry of 500 total entries, with no buybacks, your odds of winning are 1 in 500.

If you have one entry of 500 total entries, with one round of buybacks, your odds of winning are still 1 in 500.

If you have one entry of 500 total entries, with two rounds of buybacks, your odds of winning are still 1 in 500.

I'll say again, the only thing buybacks do is increase the cost to participate and increase the time it takes to complete the event.

"I'll say again, the only thing buybacks do is increase the cost to participate and increase the time it takes to complete the event."

Buybacks are an option...the racer decides if he wants to increase his costs, no one else...apparently at certain events, the extra time for buybacks is well worth it to folks who tow 6, 8, 10, 12 hours each way versus one and done...

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Originally posted by SlyFox:
If you have one entry of 500 total entries, with no buybacks, your odds of winning are 1 in 500.

If you have one entry of 500 total entries, with one round of buybacks, your odds of winning are still 1 in 500.

If you have one entry of 500 total entries, with two rounds of buybacks, your odds of winning are still 1 in 500.

I'll say again, the only thing buybacks do is increase the cost to participate and increase the time it takes to complete the event.

Only if you b*yback after you lose in the first round, or if you advance past first round the old fashioned way. Take care. Tom Worthington

Buy backs help the promoters have a profitable event.

The 1st. round shot is basically a test pass for data. At least for big racers.

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Originally posted by Footloose:
The 1st. round shot is basically a test pass for data. At least for big racers.

An expensive one. I guess they could eliminate a buyback round, and charge the buyback cost for the time run. That would be an interesting twist.

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Originally posted by SlyFox:
If you have one entry of 500 total entries, with no buybacks, your odds of winning are 1 in 500.

If you have one entry of 500 total entries, with one round of buybacks, your odds of winning are still 1 in 500.

If you have one entry of 500 total entries, with two rounds of buybacks, your odds of winning are still 1 in 500.

I'll say again, the only thing buybacks do is increase the cost to participate and increase the time it takes to complete the event.

Actually,I can't back this up with scientific data,but I feel that buybacks reduce your odds of winning.

Here is why:

We all know that there are some hitters out there that you don't want to run into if you can avoid them.
"Sometimes" they get beat in round 1.

But if buybacks are allowed,they will buyback and will often be right there at the end.They may have made a mistake or got beat by a lucky .001 package,but odds say that they will come back stronger than ever.
And if you beat that guy in round 1,but now have to face him again in round 6,the odds don't favor you beating him TWICE in the same race.

Also,the more rounds there are,the harder it is to win.

That's how the casinos look at it when you make a multiple bet parlay.

Buybacks help both the promoter and racer in my opinion...I always bring enough buyback money if I enter an event...I don't always use it though...

What I mean is if I lose first round I may buyback depending on how/why I lost...if I made a dumb mistake, for instance, I will probably buyback...I have raced the same person in round two that just beat me and that I just beat...for me, the odds were the same either way...now that most big money races use re-entry, this is not an issue...

All in all, I am a believer in buybacks...I am sympathetic to the racer who towed a long way to support the event and to the promoters who deserve to make some money for sticking their necks out to put on the event...