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...but I'm not for allowing 14 year old kids to compete at this level, without a process that allows them to prove their ability. I would just like to see a process that gives them the opportunity to show they're capable. If they pass, let them race. If they don't, hold them back until they do.

Reality is, if they are 16 and a valid state driver's license is all they need to go 4.90's in a dragster, that doesn't give me the warm and fuzzy either.

Simply put, I would love to see these younger kids (14 and up) have a chance to get on the track with us, IF they could pass the necessary tests to do so. KC is plenty capable. I think he has proven that. However, he shouldn't be any different than anyone else that age. He needs to go through the proper steps, but he should also get that opportunity.


The system is all ready in place you just don't agree with what they are asking as a minimum.

Jr dragsters and Jr street is how they prove themselves until old enough to race a big car. Once they can prove to the state they live in to be a competent driver and pass their driving test then they can try to pass the _HRA's competition license test. Once everything is done and signed off on, they can compete legally.

You have to draw the line somewhere.


The system that I would like to see isn't in place. That's why I said I'd love to see it. I didn't say I don't agree with the minimum requirement they're asking. I'd just like to see it extended to younger than 16. When the 16 year old age limit was established, they were not factoring in today's young racers that have been racing for several years already. They were figuring on 16 being a racer's first on track action. I think it is time to look at that age requirement, and determine if it needs to be extended beyond 16.

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I agree with alot of statements on here...but one question I have to ask...

WHY would the parents even ASK if their child could play in the BIG sand box? That's the first wrong move...THEIR child is no more important than the next child wanting to drive a big car, he is not "entitled" any more than the next 14 year old...

I was told they asked Kyle Riley earlier in the year if the kid could race and was told NO...then they went on to ask AJ to get permission after being told NO by Kyle...can you confirm this Jared or Kyle?

The parents hold some accountability, not judging the parents...they may be the best or worst parents on the planet...not for me to say...
 
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They did call Kyle and tell him that they'd like to race some of his races, and they were told it was not a good idea. When AJ saw him race at Montgomery, prior to the $525K, he allowed him to come to Michigan. In hindsight, it was a mistake and AJ/Kyle have corrected it.

The parents are great parents, but I can see where they could've done some things differently/better.


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I like the idea of some form of testing, acceptance, licensing etc. But have BIG reservations about it.

Why? Because people will find a way to manipulate the system that would be put in place. Period.

In my opinion we have a written and unwritten rule that if you want to drive a big car you should at least be old enough to hold a state drivers license. That my take on it and I agree with it. Current track managers and some parents obviously don't feel this way nor do they enforce it.

So if we put in place another rule (insert whatever criteria you want here), who is the gate keeper? At some point you have to draw a line in the sand and stick to it.

Maybe it is 14, maybe you have to carry your birth certificate with you like in USAC, maybe you have to race locally x amount of times. Maybe you can only go so fast in a dragster and so fast in a door car, because 5.00 is pretty damn fast in a door car.

But who is the gate keeper? and what are the repercussions or do we just change the rules again?
 
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I listened to the pod cast. You can try to justify but it’s not getting there. Chris has it right and so does Luke and others here. Rules are there to protect racers from themselves.. No matter how talented the 14 year old is, it’s the rule and it’s wrong. Not going to address the lack of tech, drugs or alcohol at the races you speak of. That will need a thread on its own, has nothing to do with the subject.


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Boy I don't know the kid nor was i at the race or any race in a while but if this has gotten such a rise out of everybody (broke the internet) wait till the kid shows up and doubles up in his jr. and big car????? could happen


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Laws regarding minor waiver/releases also vary from state to state. However minors are not legally competent, which means they aren’t seen as capable of entering into a binding contract such as a waiver/release. Therefore, the only way for a minor to be bound for purposes of contractually excusing negligence would be through a parent’s signature on the waiver/release. Even then, most states will not allow a parent to contractually waive their minor children’s right to sue for a sports-related injury.Anybody remember the Nesbitt case? Cost millions. Everybody was dragged into court.

http://www.competitionplus.com...s-on-nesbitt-lawsuit

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Holy smokes Chris “Torqin” took me all afternoon to read all this lol
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Late to the party here but the only reason this kid isn't suspended/fined already is because it was a busy weekend for NHRA..
NHRA would never miss a chance to ***** slap someone down and this cheat is a whopper...it's coming for sure.
The entire team (Mom&Dad) might get the boot also..
Anyway my 6 sets of 2yr and 1day old belts, various trans shields, 4 fleplates and 3 helmets think that way.. Big Grin


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Boy I don't know the kid nor was i at the race or any race in a while but if this has gotten such a rise out of everybody (broke the internet) wait till the kid shows up and doubles up in his jr. and big car????? could happen


That can be done within the rules by 16 year olds plus


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Late to the party here but the only reason this kid isn't suspended/fined already is because it was a busy weekend for NHRA..
NHRA would never miss a chance to ***** slap someone down and this cheat is a whopper...it's coming for sure.
The entire team (Mom&Dad) might get the boot also..
Anyway my 6 sets of 2yr and 1day old belts, various trans shields, 4 fleplates and 3 helmets think that way.. Big Grin


How can they be fined running at outlaw tracks?


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Late to the party here but the only reason this kid isn't suspended/fined already is because it was a busy weekend for NHRA..
NHRA would never miss a chance to ***** slap someone down and this cheat is a whopper...it's coming for sure.
The entire team (Mom&Dad) might get the boot also..
Anyway my 6 sets of 2yr and 1day old belts, various trans shields, 4 fleplates and 3 helmets think that way.. Big Grin


How can they be fined running at outlaw tracks?


It didn't happen at an outlaw track. It was a sanctioned track.


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Late to the party here but the only reason this kid isn't suspended/fined already is because it was a busy weekend for NHRA..
NHRA would never miss a chance to ***** slap someone down and this cheat is a whopper...it's coming for sure.
The entire team (Mom&Dad) might get the boot also..
Anyway my 6 sets of 2yr and 1day old belts, various trans shields, 4 fleplates and 3 helmets think that way.. Big Grin


How can they be fined running at outlaw tracks?


It didn't happen at an outlaw track. It was a sanctioned track.


Ah ok.


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I listened to the pod cast. You can try to justify but it’s not getting there. Chris has it right and so does Luke and others here. Rules are there to protect racers from themselves.. No matter how talented the 14 year old is, it’s the rule and it’s wrong. Not going to address the lack of tech, drugs or alcohol at the races you speak of. That will need a thread on its own, has nothing to do with the subject.


Chris’ kid broke the rules when he crashed and staged the next round in a different car. Why isn’t that the story line?

Side note. His kid can straight up race. No doubt. Like to see him kick ass.


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I listened to the pod cast. You can try to justify but it’s not getting there. Chris has it right and so does Luke and others here. Rules are there to protect racers from themselves.. No matter how talented the 14 year old is, it’s the rule and it’s wrong. Not going to address the lack of tech, drugs or alcohol at the races you speak of. That will need a thread on its own, has nothing to do with the subject.


Chris’ kid broke the rules when he crashed and staged the next round in a different car. Why isn’t that the story line?

Side note. His kid can straight up race. No doubt. Like to see him kick ass.


Mikey.. I can’t remember exactly how that went down but... Maybe Chris can chime in? Was that an **** race? Was it in the race rules? I have no idea. Why would that be the story line? Deferring??


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That's because Chris' kid, Cory, did not break the rules. It was posted on the flyer that a racer was allowed to change cars if unable to return for next round at the promotor's discretion.
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And bingo was his name o...

The rules were on the flyer and we used the break rule after winning the round. Car was broke all over last I remember. The race promoter was involved every step of the way including when the paramedics checked Cory over. We raced and won the $100k for runner up within the rules for said race per the promoters rules on flyer.

Thanks for the compliments on Cory, he is a good racer and we are very proud of his efforts.
 
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That's because Chris' kid, Cory, did not break the rules. It was posted on the flyer that a racer was allowed to change cars if unable to return for next round at the promotor's discretion.
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I thought we were following the rules of the sanctioning body?


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The race director was involved in the decision to allow KC to race. There was no rule on the flyer that said you had to be 16, 53, 98 or any other age. Shouldn't that decision be ok then?


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