http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rVeQ-lTlk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tvb_gYpZg


http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/11942-votevets-jon-soltz-...or-on-hannity-colmes

........Jon Soltz
Served in Iraq from may 03 to sep 03, 5 months max, since the standard tour (at that time) was 12 months could you have possibly found any vet with less time in country?


Joe
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Jon Soltz has served 8 yrs. in the military.
He has more military experience than dumbya and cheney combined..........

You don't need any military service to be qualified to be President or Vice President.

He has served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

To answer some of your question joe, you probably couldn't find any service time for the last 4 posters in this topic who has served in Iraq and Afghanistan outside of being there to make money.

I have said this before and I will say it again, any returning serviceman or woman, regardless of their political party choice, are all heroes in my book........
In Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WW2, WW1........

Its truly a shame to make attacks on any returning servicemen or women especially from ppl who only have a "armchair" to fight wars from.......
jmop4dave

quote:

Originally posted by ihrabob:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rVeQ-lTlk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tvb_gYpZg


http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/11942-votevets-jon-soltz-...or-on-hannity-colmes

........Jon Soltz
Served in Iraq from may 03 to sep 03, 5 months max, since the standard tour (at that time) was 12 months could you have possibly found any vet with less time in country?


Joe
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Jon Soltz has served 8 yrs. in the military.
He has more military experience than dumbya and cheney combined..........

You don't need any military service to be qualified to be President or Vice President.

He has served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

To answer some of your question joe, you probably couldn't find any service time for the last 4 posters in this topic who has served in Iraq and Afghanistan outside of being there to make money.

I have said this before and I will say it again, any returning serviceman or woman, regardless of their political party choice, are all heroes in my book........
In Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WW2, WW1........

Its truly a shame to make attacks on any returning servicemen or women especially from ppl who only have a "armchair" to fight wars from.......
jmop4dave

Try watching the video of your boy Soltz shouting down and berating a uniformed reservist who had just returned from Iraq at a liberal jerk-fest. Soltz didn't have the balls to answer the reservist questions or confront him in public, opting to drag the reservist in a back room and threaten him.

Bob, you're belief that any returning service member, regardless of political party choice, are all heroes in your book is a typical of the liberal mentality... everyone is special! It's an insult to real heroes. Do person who chose to serve and fight deserve our utmost respect? Absolutely!! But they are not ALL heroes!

BTW... your hero Soltz saw no combat. He work in logistics... talk about an armchair general!

Nothing makes me puke quicker than seeing some liberal flag bearer trying to wrap themselves in their military service as they attack our own country for political gain.

This Soltz guy is following the John Kerry playbook to a T.

quote:

Originally posted by ihrabob:
I have said this before and I will say it again, any returning serviceman or woman, regardless of their political party choice, are all heroes in my book........
In Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WW2, WW1........Glad you think joe and myself are hero's there Bob.. Since we both served in uniform in Iraq. Unless of course you really didn't mean what you said. Go ahead and ask me how I know. I'll post copies of our DD Form 214 for ya.

Its truly a shame to make attacks on any returning servicemen or women especially from ppl who only have a "armchair" to fight wars from.......
Like your liberal buddies?
jmop4dave

I know what your opinion is worth Bob..

LMAO at the Armchair Wannabe...

Dave

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........Glad you think joe and myself are hero's there Bob.. Since we both served in uniform in Iraq. Unless of course you really didn't mean what you said

Your both heroes in my book..... but does joe qualify in a carheart uniform??

The terrorist ally pops it's ugly head!
A misguided wackado working for our defeat in Iraq qualifies as a hero but somebody involved in fighting the terrorists does not! This from a socialist liberal kook who claims to support the troops!

Bob, I think you read too much into my posts. I never attacked Mr. Soltz, I was just amazed that you found someone who served for such a short period of time without being wounded. That’s all, nothing more, sorry to disappoint you.

If I was going to attack him I would have done it based on him being a supply weenie and sending convoys on missions and not going on them, he also served at the time when Iraq was most clam, after the April 03 invasion and before the insurgency got going full speed in Oct 03.


Joe
Ps what is a carheart uniform?

Sorry if I did read too much into your post but he did serve 8 yrs. Afghanistan and Iraq.

As for the carhart uniform, did you see the smiley at the end????

.....and sending convoys on missions and not going on them,

That implies to most of our commanders in Iraq, wouldn't it or am I just reading too much into your replies again????
Almost likened to sending troops to war while occupying an armchair at the White House.

Oh shiott, reading to much into your replies again.

Did you even take Nate out to lunch or was it just a In-An-Out burger???

Watch your back!
The fat ass, pathological, compulsive liar is sucking up for some nefarious reason!!!!!!!!!!

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If I was going to attack him I would have done it based on him being a supply weenie and sending convoys on missions and not going on them,

now it's OK to talk about people in the military IF they don't participate in direct combat. amazing, the righties get all up in arms about going to war, then some of them find it alright to say disparaging things about the very soldiers they wave the flag at.

don't talk about those civilian contractors though. they are some real mean fighting machines.

Yeah, those supply guys. All they do is sit around in the company area and drink Jack Daniels and eat candy bars.

I remember one old supply sergeant and his specialist assistant. They were sitting around drinking whiskey and eating candy when a zip mortar landed right in their supply room and killed the shiot out of their lazy asses.

All soldiers are at risk, no matter their job.

You flag waving guys just kill me. You don't have a simple clue.

BD I can’t believe you!!! What part of the word “IF” don’t you understand? I did not attack the man, I know how important supply guys are, they are the ones that provide the tools for the combat troops to do there mission. With out them the mission will simply fail.
He has never said he was in combat (as far as I know), he went were his country told him, he did what he was suppose to do. Why would I attack him for that? The only thing I have heard (I haven’t done the research yet) is he has attacked other people with different views.

You guys need to go snip hunting, because I am sure you would find them if you wanted to.

Joe

PS I appreciate the personal attack from you. Very liberal of you.

The Senate passed the Jon Cornyn (R-the Great state of Texas) amendment condemning the MoveOn.org ad that called General David Petraeus a liar and potential traitor, 72-25.

All 25 Senators who voted in support of these smears against an American military commander that they unanimously promoted to four stars came from the Democratic Party. It includes two declared presidential candidates and the top leadership of the Senate Democratic Caucus.

Those who voted to support MoveOn's smear:

NAYs ---25
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/r...session=1&vote=00344

It's a particularly sad commentary on the Democratic Party that they cannot bring themselves to support the very commander they sent to lead American troops in battle by a unanimous vote.

Hillary Clinton and Chris Dodd, both of whom want to become Commander in Chief over the military, chose to endorse MoveOn's smear campaign against a man who has dedicated his life to defending this nation and serving presidents in a nonpartisan manner.

MoveOn has the right to free speech. Congress has the responsibility to defend the honor of the man they unanimously endorsed for the difficult task of bringing security to Iraq. Almost half of the Democratic caucus would rather participate in a smear campaign against the commander than stand up to MoveOn. It's a pathetic, embarrassing, and ultimately revealing moment of today’s democrats.

Joe

One name conspicuously absent from the roster is barry hussein!
He conveniently avoided voting so he could be on both sides of the issue!
What does it say about the socialist donkies candidates when they are afraid to anger a bunch of ultra left-wing anti-American wackoes? It is an eye opening lesson on what their actions would be when the United States needed a resolute person at the helm!

I'd like to see an investigation into the campaign contributions from MoveOn.org and the 25 listed above!

My personal favorite

quote:

Sens. Joe Biden and Barack Obama were absent from the vote, though Obama had voted 20 minutes earlier on a Democratic effort to circumvent the amendment.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297498,00.html

It looks like Barack Obama didn’t have enough backbone to take a stand, and just ran away. Yea, I want him to be my president. [/sarcasm off]. At least Hillary has a set.

Today’s democratic “leaders”

Joe

I’ll interject my personal opinion on the Petraeus/Moveon.org situation first. I will say it loud and proud that the tactics used by moveon.org to smear the General appall me. It was a below-the-belt move from an organization that proves once again that it lacks any ability to make lucid, cogent arguments that stand on their own merits, so they must use extremely distasteful tactics instead.

That said, if I were in Congress, I too would have voted against the bill and I fully agree with those who did (maybe not for the reasons they did, but I don’t know their reasons). My nay vote would NOT MEAN I AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID BY MOVEON.ORG (as all the Conservative spin-masters would so like everyone to believe). Just as agreeing with the right to choose does not mean I agree with the act of abortion (couldn’t be more against that either). It means I think moveon.org had the right to say it, whether I agree with it or not, whether I think it is tacky or not. Ask me my opinion about it in a press conference or interview and I’ll tell you I’m disgusted by it. But don’t ask me to vote on a bill to repress 1st Amendment rights.

The bill, as I saw it worded, is not really about SUPPORTING anybody. It is about trying to censor people, and condemning statements that, while extremely distasteful, in general are allowed by the Constitution. If the acts were libelous and/or slanderous, which it seems to me they may very well have been, then let the courts settle the issue. Wouldn’t it be great if Petraeus could become a wealthy man off of moveon.org’s money?

The bill itself seems to be pretty much pointless. What exactly is the goal of condemning an act, other than saying, “hey, you did something without class! Now it’s official that the US Government agrees it was a bad thing to say.”? What are the ramifications?

Can’t Congress find real issues with real resolutions to write bills about, rather than trying to make somebody feel better after getting his feelings hurt by an inept organization that nobody with any brains pays any attention to anyway? From the much of the idiocy I’ve seen supported by moveon.org, I would consider an insulting ad by them about me to be a compliment, because it must mean I’m well-grounded on some issue they are out in left field about. I’ve seen political cartoons that cut deeper and carried much more sway than this ad (that nobody relevant would have paid any attention to, were it not for all the hype). Are political cartoons next to get “condemned” by Congress?

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The bill, as I saw it worded, is not really about SUPPORTING anybody.

Well, I looked it up and I was wrong on that account. Not quite sure what that means or entails, but now, officially the Senate does support General Petraeus. I stand by the rest of my post.

Now tell us how much respect you have for supposed leaders so cowed by an ultra left-wing bunch that they are too terrified to disagree with them about anything, or were you attempting to provide cover for them with your "I would have voted against it too," statement? Of course when you made the statement you did not know what was in the bill?
What now?
How about the way these scumbags are treating the donkey Representative from Washington state, he voted against the war, against funding, then went to Iraq, came back and said things are improving there!
Now they're running ads against him in his district, so much for respect for the truth, TOE THE LINE THEY DRAW OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!
No wonder they have the entire socialist donkey party cowed!

I'm not attempting to provide cover for anyone. Just stating my opinion and why. I knew all along about the "condemning" part of the bill, which is the part that I oppose.

Let me ask you this way, and this is a sincere question with no alterior motives... Now that this bill has passed, how is our nation any different now than it was at 11 am today before the bill passed? What has changed, or will change as a result?

Nothing has changed!
It is politics, pure and simple! Better they be doing things like this then passing goofy laws and spending our money wastefully!
Some wasted time due to a GOP action but the socialist donkies did have a scandalous bill pertaining to this that failed!
Now the socialist donkies can get back to their "SYMBOLIC" matters!