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Jeremy, are you for giving money to help underdeveloped countries go green?

Marie, this is a two-way street. Soon as you show me some proof (or admit you can't find any) I will gladly answer your question.

Waiting.

Absolutely not! I am not for giving ANY country ANY money! Raising or lowering tariffs would solve this issue.

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Jeremy, are you for giving money to help underdeveloped countries go green?

Marie, this is a two-way street. Soon as you show me some proof (or admit you can't find any) I will gladly answer your question.

Waiting.

Absolutely not! I am not for giving ANY country ANY money! Raising or lowering tariffs would solve this issue.

LOL, that's not Obama's plan.

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LOL, that's not Obama's plan.

You're right!

If the scientists can't predict the weather for the next 10 days how can we expect them to be accurate with the next 10-100 years?

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Originally posted by Bill Koski:
The only problem with evolution is paleontologists have never found any evidence of species evolving! Species appeared, were on the earth for centuries in the same state with zero evolution and then suddenly disappeared!
Why do the supposed meteorological "scientists" have to exchange E-mails about "tricks" to fool people, destroy their supposed evidence and threaten to destroy results of their (experiments?) rather than accede to Freedom Of Information Requests???????????????

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Originally posted by Bill Koski:
If that is a true representation, which I highly doubt, why are there any apes left??????????????????
Why didn't they all evolve, why aren't there any in the stages of evolution now????????????????
Just the liberal/socialist ones did I suppose will be the next response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There goes the alledged belief in God out the window, HEY??????????????????

Bill every fossil ever found, is a transitional fossil, from one form to another, and is evidence of species evolving. Just because you are unwilling to, or incapable of, understanding the science involved in this process does not, invalidate the hundreds of years of patient study. Besides this there is a far more potent method of tracking evolution, it's called DNA, DNA which by the way is 100% perfectly in harmony with Evolutionary theory. In particular mitochondrial DNA is being used as an excellent molecular clock and way of tracking ancestors.


The "Tricks" so much ballyhooed in these emails are not an "ah ha I fooled you or cheated you" trick, as in to trick someone, but an "oh wow that is a neat trick" as in a way to do something better or with less effort, trick. How many times have you yourself said this at the track, "wow that piece is trick" how many hundreds of times have you heard this said at the track, maybe not hundreds but more likely thousands of times. That is what they are talking about in the emails. It's a neat, slick, trick way of doing something, that makes doing something easer, quicker or more accurate. Many of the people reading those emails are simply too ignorant of what and how science is done to even be able to understand what is being said much less what it means.

The reason that there are apes left as you put is it is that they evolved concurrently, along side of us, they are our cousins, many 10's or 100's of thousands of times removed. Somewhere roughly 5 or 6 million years ago both Great Apes and Homo sapiens had a common ancestor. Think of a fork in the road, 5 million years ago one of our ancestors had a child that was different; it had a beneficial mutation that made it different from its brothers and sisters, not so you could tell simply by looking, but different none the less. This child's progeny passed this difference on and with many more such genetic alterations do to evolution they became US! The other siblings of this family went on down the other fork in the road to become the Great Ape family tree, including Chimps, Orangutans, Gorillas and such. You and I both developed from this ancestor and far more primitive than a chimpanzee, there is much dispute in paleontology as to the exact ancestor, and the exact phylogenic tree structure, but likely sometime in the area of the Ardipithecus maybe somewhat earlier is thought to be the first common ancestor between humans and apes.

And finely your belief in a god is simply your ignorance of even the beginnings of what science can and does tell us about ourselves. You are unable and or unwilling to look at the evidentiary based truths that science shows us, a story vastly different than the one cooked up by our Bronze Age ancestors 2000 or more years ago in the privacy of their caves in some cases. Science came of age about 200 years ago, that is when your god died, and many just like yourself haven't got the message, and likely never will. As man evolves, and his capacity to be a rational evidentiary based thinker will increase, he will slowly loose interest in Bronze Age fantasies.

Hopefully the 5 billion or so of us still stuck in fantasy land will not destroy the planet before we reach the point where fantasies are no longer a necessity for every day life, other than for entertainment purposes...

Black magic to the nth degree!
The evolution theory was being fabricated years before anybody dreamed of DNA so that dog don't hunt!
The truth is with all of their digging and preconceived desired results paleontologists have found zero evidence of species evolving, species were present on earth for thousands of years in virtually the same form and then abruptly vanished!
You "elitists" can spin it any way you want but the facts are the proponents of evolution used the exact same bogus (science?) the man-made global warming hoaxists are practicing!
Big bang theory? Who set off the "big bang?"

No, I am afraid magic, black or otherwise, is exactly what you believe in, and what religion is.

Science is based on evidence; repeatable verifiable evidence, your religion is based on nothing, nothing but total fantasy, the confused and incoherently wild ravings of simpletons bound in a book, a book that is without a doubt one of the première handbook for man's inequity towards his fellow man.

Why yes Darwin's theories predated the discovery of DNA, but in fact the discovery of DNA precisely and perfectly conforms to and helps explain more fully the Darwinian Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.

Once again science is in no way, spin, it is again evidence, precisely repeatable verifiably, evidence. Not flights of poetic fantasy written by men only shortly removed from living in caves.

I truly feel sorry for you Sir.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
-- Arthur C. Clark

Larry, the "ice man" blew a lot of your "theorys" out the door. If you want to be desended from monkeys thats fine they don't know about God either so you have something in common with your cousins. I'll take the other route, thank you!

The high brow know-it-alls have the same stance on evolution as they do on man-made global warming. They are positive if they repeat the lie that the (science?) is settled loud enough and often enough they can drown out the sensible people loking for some real evidence!
When nitty-gritty time comes most of these non-blievers will be down on their knees hedging their bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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When nitty-gritty time comes most of these non-blievers will be down on their knees hedging their bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have seen this first hand and it was really sad!!!!

So have I!
If they survive I've seem a few of the non-believers become Jesus freaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The parallel to the atheists!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Why yes Darwin's theories predated the discovery of DNA, but in fact the discovery of DNA precisely and perfectly conforms to and helps explain more fully the Darwinian Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.

Once again science is in no way, spin, it is again evidence, precisely repeatable verifiably, evidence.

What evidence is out there on how the first living cell arise spontaneously to get evolution started?

Please take note the key word is evidence in my question not theory.

That's all the evolutionists have is a "theory" that was concocted with a preconceived result already decided upon, JUST LIKE the man-made global warming hoaxists!
To religiously adhere to this belief they have to ignore all evidence that disputes this theory, such as paleontologists NEVER discovering any evidence that species have evolved!
I'll take the Bible anyday over having to believe that one ape in millions of years was born with a deformity that led to humans on earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Larry, the "ice man" blew a lot of your "theorys" out the door. If you want to be desended from monkeys thats fine they don't know about God either so you have something in common with your cousins. I'll take the other route, thank you!

Are you referring to "Otzi" or some other "ice man" and to which theory is this in reference to? A link to the material you refer to would be nice, if you would be so kind.

Apparently you also have some misconceived notions; humans are not descended from monkeys, nor are we descended from apes, but from an ancestor predating them all. As science has explained we, Homo sapiens sapiens, most probably diverged from Ardipithecus somewhere around 5 or 6 million years ago. You have to go back around 35 million years to get to a common ancestor that would include Old World Monkeys as well. Apparently you do not even know there is a difference between monkeys and apes. The long and short of it , for you, is that Monkeys have tails and Apes do not and never did. The common ancestor to both did not have a tail as far as I am aware, monkeys developed tails in their evolution to an arboreal existence, likely millions of years later.

Oh, and yes I do have something in common with my cousins the great apes as do you, particularly the Chimpanzee, it's called DNA, just about 98% of mans DNA and that of a Chimpanzee are identical.

Here for you edification is a very simplified phylogenetic tree including man, apes and monkeys.




Further, here is an artist's conceptualization of what Australopithecus afarensis, a close relative of Ardipithecus, might have looked like.




Instead of the more familiar taxonomic name Homo sapiens or "knowing Man" we should, for those that willfully do not believe what science has to offer, coin a new taxonomic name: Homo volens insciens. My crude translation is very roughly;
"willingly ignorant Man".

Captures the essence of many around here in a lot of respects, don't you think.

Now Larry,
Bob isn't going to like you posting up his picture after one of his 10 day binges.

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Originally posted by Bill Koski:
That's all the evolutionists have is a "theory" that was concocted with a preconceived result already decided upon, JUST LIKE the man-made global warming hoaxists!
To religiously adhere to this belief they have to ignore all evidence that disputes this theory, such as paleontologists NEVER discovering any evidence that species have evolved!
I'll take the Bible anyday over having to believe that one ape in millions of years was born with a deformity that led to humans on earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bill you use the word "theory" like it was something someone thought up after a two day drunk. Come to think of it, probably much like the shamans of prehistory came up with their beliefs, many of which are copied directly into the Bible from earlier religions, after a big dose of shroom juice or peyote buttons, and likely how a large portion of the bible was brought into existence. That isn't, what a scientific theory implies, the vast majority of scientists in the field that a given theory pertains to have produced evidence, hard facts that are reproducible and have been verified by even the skeptics of said theory. Part of what science is and does is called falsification, to prove a hypothesis and turn it into a theory everyone in science tries to falsify the assumptions or data or evidence pertaining to a hypothesis, if they can not, then it becomes a theory. Unlike the bible which starts with conclusions and admits no question, and assiduously refrains from any attempts to falsify these conclusions, science admits all questions and then uses empirical evidence to support or disprove these questions, what is left after this process is a scientific theory.

Bill would you care to cite your source(s) that states there is no evidence for species evolution?

Bill, a mutation does not necessarily imply a deformity. A beneficial mutation could be something as simple as a point mutation of a single gene producing a change in how well a protein or enzyme performs. It could mean the difference between having or not having access to and use of long-term memory. Being able to remember long-term not to go down to the bend in the river where the big crocodiles live is probably a pretty damn big evolutionary benefit.

I suppose, your desire to believe in the Bible comes from a number of things. But most likely it's the path of least resistance that allows you not to have to use your brain for anything more important than feeding yourself and taking a dump. I know it's difficult to step away from the tutelage provided by your parents and preachers and actually think for you, but many people have. They live in a world with ideas and theories supported by evidence, that require serious thought over extended periods of time, not one dictated by dogma and ideas from 2000 years or more ago. In fact some of our founding fathers more than 200 years ago were well aware of just how bogus the teachings of the Bible are. Which helped leed to the promulgation of some of our most prized historical documents relating to the foundations of this country?

Theory is all the evolutionists have, and some well rehearsed pipe dreams!
I never said I was locked into the Bible but at least the believers are not creating these elaborate non-sensical made up scenarios to try and destroy peoples beliefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bill would you care to cite your source(s) that states there is no evidence for species evolution?

Larry , no answer to how the first living organisms originated?

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Larry , no answer to how the first living organisms originated?

Thought we were talking about evolution, spinning again?

I think the closed-minded, delirious, egotistical, pompous sin city ignoramus is upset because he has yet to evolve.