If one of your socialist liberal kook cohorts had posted that with an opposite slant you would be congratulating them on it being funny!
Hypocrite!

Not sure if any of you are watching the East. Read this and find out how China is headed for a train wreck...

China's bright lights may fade. While the nation is producing billions of tons of coal to feed an economy that is growing at 10 percent annually, the ancient civilization is getting overrun with pollutants that threaten all of its gains.

Ken Silverstein
EnergyBiz Insider
Editor-in-Chief
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Foreign investors are flocking to China. Power production there can't keep pace with the growth rate. It's good news in theory. But, the ambient air quality is killing its people, by the thousands. The nation therefore is grappling with how to feed its economic engine.
China is awash in coal, which provides 70 percent of the fuel for its electric generators. Meantime, it is on target to mine 2.4 billion tons this year, up about 8 percent from a year earlier and double that produced in the year 2000. Even with that level of production, it still has to import coal.
The irony is that China has entered this economic boom at the same time the global community is trying to deal with climate change. China, too, is trying to cope with some leaders of the ruling party there noting that growth must be guarded until the nation gets the tools it needs to regulate emissions.
China recognizes that it must clean up its act if it is to remain an enduring place to do business. It's trying to diversify its fuel mix and become a leader in nuclear and renewable sources while taking steps to implement efficiency standards. It's also advocating the relaxation of patent rules so that the most innovative pollution control technologies can be used to help offset its emissions.
"If China could replace all its old technology with new, more efficient technology, it could cut the growth of Chinese emissions by as much as half," says Alan Oxley, chairman of World Growth that is dedicated to fostering economic growth while limiting emissions. "Unlike Kyoto, such reductions can be achieved without stifling growth and penalizing business."
China and other developing nations are not required to meet the targets set forth by the Kyoto Protocol to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 5 percent from 1990 levels by 2012. But, the country has set a goal to cut all pollutants by 4 percent a year for the next five years -- a promise made in response to a recent proclamation by global scientists that global air temperatures could rise by 3-7 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100 and bring with it more droughts, heat waves and rising sea levels.
China's Boom
Power plant construction in China rivals that of Western Europe. China built 51 gigawatts of new capacity in 2005 while it constructed another 102 gigawatts in 2006. Most of those facilities are to be powered with coal because it is cheap and abundant. Coal use in China is not just affecting its domestic air and water quality. It's also touching many other countries around the globe. In fact, China is expected to outrank the United States as the greatest contributor to global greenhouse gases.
To be sure, the world's most developed nations all went through their own economic revivals around the middle of the last century. They weren't consumed with the harmful effects of pollution until long after they had the accumulated the wealth to address the problem. The United States, for instance, enacted the original Clean Air Act in 1970 -- a law that is given credit for greatly reducing pollutants and cleaning the air.
So, who can really criticize China for trying to spread prosperity to its impoverished citizens? American investors find Chinese companies irresistible and particularly coal companies. Such names as Fidelity, Merrill Lynch and Oppenheimer are investors there. Specifically, they are backers of Shenhua Energy, which has been booming and which raised about $9 billion in an initial public offering that was held in September. Massey Energy and International Coal Group, meanwhile, are satisfying China's demand for more coal imports.
Global investors say that they can be a force for good by staying involved with China and leveraging their financial resources. "It has been widely acknowledged that China has made significant strides on the corporate governance front with respect to laws, rules, regulations and standards," says Lee Kha Loon, head of Asia Pacific CFA Institute Center that works on matters of corporate governance. "But, the acceptance of good governance practices by Chinese companies will likely be a long and involved process, and will not happen overnight."
Critics of additional coal plant construction in China argue that multinational corporations must become more environmentally conscious. China's blessings, they add, will be wiped out unless it curbs the rate of emissions.
The Rainforest Action Network says that the priorities must lie in developing responsible energy solutions that focus on efficiency technologies and renewable sources such as wind and solar. It's a message that they are taking to Wall Street, trying to persuade the big institutional investors that bankroll the development of new coal generation to stop. If the use of coal continues to rise in China, the group says that the country will be locked into another 50 or 60 years worth of dirty fuel.
"This miracle will end soon because the environment can no longer keep pace," says Pan Yue, deputy director of China's State Environmental Protection Administration, in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel.
China may be magnet for foreign investors. But, it's also a haven for toxic pollutants that have worked to maim public health there. The paradox has some scratching their heads. But, the immediate solution is to equip the nation with the best available coal technologies while making a long-term transition to clean fuel sources.
More information is available from Energy Central:
China's Power Plans - Pursuing Market Reforms, Foreign Investors, EnergyBiz, May/June 2005

The Rising Power of China, EnergyBiz, March/April 2006

The Chinese commies have to keep the wheels churning, if they slow down the Whitewater queenies campaign contributions will suffer!
The ultra left-wingers are even getting disillusioned with the queenies ineptness, lying and waffling!!!!!!!!!!!

Koski, I don't know how you can POSSIBLY include the Democrats on this topic. Stop spinning and address the issue instead of performing your duties of the RLFCP by blaming the Dems on everything.

The fact remains that the Bush administration has favored outsourcing since day 1. Manufacturing jobs have taken a dump in the US. Since a large majority of the industrial sector have their goods produced overseas, of course their environmental quality is going to suffer. If the Bush admin did ANYTHING to try to resuscitate the American factory jobs, then he would have to deal with environmental issues here. Of course they are too ****ing lazy to do anything about that so they send all the business overseas and let somebody else deal with the problems that are associated with industry. Why don't you ask any of the unemployed factory workers here in this country what they think about China and their environmental issues.

NAFTA...who put that in place?

How long do you think it would take large, huge companies to pack up and move their equiptment out of country?

Tell me where all these unemployed workers are hiding, unemployment numbers are at record lows!
Your leftie blogs probably haven't trumpeted the fact that exports have hit record amounts the last couple of months!

Look at when the graph started to plummet like Bill Koski jumping off a cliff. Hmmm, what did happen around that time?

Probably the effects of NAFTA kicking in!
Passed by a socialist donkey congress and signed by the sex fiend, drug abuser, cowardly, draft-dodger, impeached, convicted perjurer rapist by the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Either that or we started to get honest numbers from the labor department rather then the massaged statistics (LIES) that were foisted on us during the 90's!!!!!!!!

WHAT??????????????
The rocket scientist doesn't have a response to the cold hard facts!!!!!!!!!!!
Why am I not surprised???????

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Bill Koski,

Where are your facts on unemployment? Truth is you have no facts. If indeed unemployment has dropped in the extremely small time span that you speak of, it is ONLY because of holiday season. Don't believe me? Look up unemployment stats, there are usually 2 groups. One is season adjusted, one isn't.

The rocket scientist gets blown out of the water on one topic so he promptly reverts back to another!
Too bad he is ill-informed on that subject too!
One needs to get their news from reputable sources!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kevin Garceau:
NAFTA...who put that in place?


It appears this administration welcomes NAFTA.
Wouldn't you agree?

http://infowars.com/articles/nwo/nafta_superhighway_bush_admin_secret_plan.htm

So what, no comments from the RLFCP, armchair general?

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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
Look at when the graph started to plummet like Bill Koski jumping off a cliff. Hmmm, what did happen around that time?

Jeremy,

If you really look at the graph, the sharp decline starts to take place before Bush took office. You have to remember there is a pretty big lag in the effect of an Administrations policies.

Like Kevin said above, you don't pack up and move a multi-billion dollar operation overnight.

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Originally posted by ihrabob:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kevin Garceau:
NAFTA...who put that in place?


It appears this administration welcomes NAFTA.
Wouldn't you agree?

http://infowars.com/articles/nwo/nafta_superhighway_bush_admin_secret_plan.htm

That's not exactly a secret, Bob. We've been talking about for months! It's just that the main stream media hasn't covered it because it falls in line with their liberal agenda.

Once again, you've foolishly convinced yourself that we support Bush on these types of issues when in fact the conservatives have been the loudest voice in denouncing such plans.

And for the umpteenth time... Bush is no conservative. He's a died in the wool liberal internationalist.

Back on topic...

Here's for old Al to try and bury!

"For several decades, measurements of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet showed it to be retreating rapidly. But new data derived from satellite-borne radar sensors show the ice sheet to be growing."

Western Antarctic Ice Shelf Growing

Or this one from 2005. Wasn't that about the time old Al was making his propoganda piece?

"However, in a study to appear in this week's online edition of Science, a researcher at the University of Missouri-Columbia has found that the interior of the East Antarctic ice sheet is actually gaining mass."

East Antarctic Ice Sheet Gains Mass

Those are simply aberrations the whacko man-made global warming crowd chose to ignore, they do not fit into their preconceived notions!
Like they do not have an explanation for the warming that has occurred on Mars!

Greg, so explain this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...AR2006030201712.html

or this:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6962.html

or this:

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/ice_sheets.html

Here's a couple of quotes from the first link you provided.

"From 1992 to 2003, Curt Davis, MU professor of electrical and computer engineering, and his team of researchers observed 7.1 million kilometers of the ice sheet, using satellites to measure changes in elevation. They discovered that the ice sheet's interior was gaining mass by about 45 billion tons per year, which was enough to slow sea level rise by .12 millimeters per year. The interior of the ice sheet is the only large terrestrial ice body that is likely gaining mass rather than losing it , Davis said."

and

"The research team found there was a strong correlation between the predicted precipitation trends and measured elevation change over the 11-year period for the ice sheet, which indicated that East Antarctica's interior was likely gaining mass due to the increased precipitation. The results, though, did not assess the overall contribution of the entire Antarctic ice sheet to sea level rise."

Not much there to base anything on is there?

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Originally posted by Bill Koski:
Like they do not have an explanation for the warming that has occurred on Mars!

Are you high?