Hard to believe algore and his anti-American anti-capitalist cohorts are so reprehensible and wedded to destroying our economy that they are in utter panic trying to get anything possible done NOW because they know their fantasy is evaporating!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Bill, is this the same National Geographic you speak of? Show me where it talks about global warming being a myth.......

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_04..._global_warming.html

When you watch a TV show or movie, pay attention to the credits at the end. See, when it says 'brought to you by RL productions', that RL stands for Rush Limbaugh. In that case, the entire show is fraudulent. Although when it says 'For Entertainment Purposes Only' after returning from a commercial break, should be a dead giveaway.

Your BS is 7 months old, obviously they've had a revelation since then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I read the complete article and coming from National Geographic does hold water in my book.

It appears we are leaving a mess for our children, Grandchildren, Great Grandchildren to deal with.

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Originally posted by Bill Koski:
Your BS is 7 months old, obviously they've had a revelation since then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's right, global warming changes direction overnight. Must be why 2007 is in the top 10 hottest years ever recorded.

Just the usual global warming myths.
Remember the hurricane nonsense in 05, ALL the global warming freaks were stating how the hurricanes were going to be more prevalent and more severe.
hhmmmm
In the last 2 years we haven't had more then 2 each year and nothing more than a category 3.
OH but that's different.
The ONLY GOOD thing I can say is at least the US government is getting smarter and allowing the US companies to start drilling for oil and natural gas in Alaska.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/03/arctic.drilling.ap/index.html?iref=24hours

There has been zero appreciable warming since 1998, just hot air from the man-made global warming whackados!
If 4.5% of your savior algores gibberish was true 2007 should have been the hottest year ever!

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Originally posted by Jeremy J.: ... Must be why 2007 is in the top 10 hottest years ever recorded.

Where? Sure wasn't here in California... wasn't even close!

Well, I would seem to think NOAA would be a reputable source don't you?

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/20071213_climateupdate.html

U.S. Temperatures

* The preliminary annual average temperature for 2007 across the contiguous United States will likely be near 54.3° F- 1.5°F (0.8°C) above the twentieth century average of 52.8°F. This currently establishes 2007 as the eighth warmest on record. Only February and April were cooler-than-average, while March and August were second warmest in the 113-year record.

* The warmer-than-average conditions in 2007 influenced residential energy demand in opposing ways, as measured by the nation’s Residential Energy Demand Temperature Index. Using this index, NOAA scientists determined that the U.S. residential energy demand was about three percent less during the winter and eight percent higher during the summer than what would have occurred under average climate conditions.

* Exceptional warmth in late March was followed by a record cold outbreak from the central Plains to the Southeast in early April. The combination of premature growth from the March warmth and the record-breaking freeze behind it caused more than an estimated $1 billion in losses to crops (agricultural and horticultural).

* A severe heat wave affected large parts of the central and southeastern U.S. in August, setting more than 2,500 new daily record highs.

Significant U.S. Weather and Climate events for 2007.
Significant U.S. Weather and Climate events for 2007.

+ High Resolution (Credit: NOAA)

Global Temperatures

* The global annual temperature − for combined land and ocean surfaces – for 2007 is expected to be near 58.0 F – and would be the fifth warmest since records began in 1880. Some of the largest and most widespread warm anomalies occurred from eastern Europe to central Asia.

* Including 2007, seven of the eight warmest years on record have occurred since 2001 and the 10 warmest years have all occurred since 1997. The global average surface temperature has risen between 0.6°C and 0.7°C since the start of the twentieth century, and the rate of increase since 1976 has been approximately three times faster than the century-scale trend.

* The greatest warming has taken place in high latitude regions of the Northern Hemisphere. Anomalous warmth in 2007 contributed to the lowest Arctic sea ice extent since satellite records began in 1979, surpassing the previous record low set in 2005 by a remarkable 23 percent. According to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, this is part of a continuing trend in end-of-summer Arctic sea ice extent reductions of about 10 percent per decade since 1979.

U.S. Precipitation and Drought Highlights

* Severe to exceptional drought affected the Southeast and western U.S. More than three-quarters of the Southeast was in drought from mid-summer into December. Increased evaporation from usually warm temperatures, combined with a lack of precipitation, worsened drought conditions. Drought conditions also affected large parts of the Upper Midwest and areas of the Northeast.

* Water conservation measures and drought disasters, or states of emergency, were declared by governors in at least five southeastern states, along with California, Oregon, Maryland, Connecticut, and Delaware at some point during the year.

* A series of storms brought flooding, millions of dollars in damages and loss of life from Texas to Kansas and Missouri in June and July. Making matters worse were the remnants of Tropical Storm Erin, which produced heavy rainfall in the same region in August.

* Drought and unusual warmth contributed to another extremely active wildfire season. Approximately nine million acres burned through early December, most of it in the contiguous U.S., according to preliminary estimates by the National Interagency Fire Center.

* There were 15 named storms in the Atlantic Basin (Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico) in 2007, four more than the long-term average. Six storms developed into hurricanes, including Hurricanes Dean and Felix, two category 5 storms that struck Mexico’s Yucatan Peninsula and Nicaragua, respectively (the first two recorded category 5 landfalls in the Atlantic Basin in the same year). No major hurricanes made landfall in the U.S., but three tropical depressions, one tropical storm and one Category 1 Hurricane made landfall along the Southeast and Gulf coasts.

* La Niña conditions developed during the latter half of 2007, and by the end of November, sea surface temperatures near the equator of the eastern Pacific were more than 3.6°F (2°C) below average. This La Niña event is likely to continue into early 2008, according to NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center.

NOAA is dedicated to enhancing economic security and national safety through the prediction and research of weather and climate-related events and information service delivery for transportation, and by providing environmental stewardship of our nation's coastal and marine resources. Through the emerging Global Earth Observation System of Systems (GEOSS), NOAA is working with its federal partners, more than 70 countries and the European Commission to develop a global monitoring network that is as integrated as the planet it observes, predicts and protects.

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Originally posted by pentastarrail:
Just the usual global warming myths.
Remember the hurricane nonsense in 05, ALL the global warming freaks were stating how the hurricanes were going to be more prevalent and more severe.
hhmmmm
In the last 2 years we haven't had more then 2 each year and nothing more than a category 3.
OH but that's different.

The only meteorologists/scientists who venture out to predict how many hurricanes we will have each year are the ones that the media will exploit just to get themselves a story. Does global warming increase the chances of hurricanes? Of course it does. If you talk to any reputable meteorologist, climate scientist, geographer, etc. they will tell you it is literally impossible to predict the number of hurricanes per year. There are just too many variables involved and not enough technology at this point to be accurate.

Also, just because a small number of hurricanes hit the US this year and last year, doesn't mean there weren't any. It just means they stayed away from the US. Just ask anybody from the 'Islands' or the Yucatan Peninsula.

Jeremy,

NOAA hasn't exactly been a bastion of accurate assesment... and have been caught in several instance of politicizing issue. One of the directors was even caught exaggerating claims to support his position on global warming. They have also had a habit of going back and "re-calculating" the annual averages of years a couple years down the road.

They came out a few months ago and re-issued lower averages for several years that they had previously touted as "the hottest ever"!

I would not be surprised if a year or two from now they will "re-evaluate" 2007!

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Originally posted by Jeremy J.: ... Does global warming increase the chances of hurricanes? Of course it does.

Then why hasn't then been a profusion of hurricanes in the last few years? 2006 and 2007 were actually below average. If the dire consequence of global warming spewed out by Al Gore and his ilk were accurate then wouldn't the number of storms be on the rise?

Greg, if nobody has an true assessment of the global climate, how can you accurately prove otherwise? Just because it felt cooler at your house?

Jeremy, your dealing with ppl who open their screen doors and stick a finger in the air as a gauge for global warming.
They tend to forget where their finger was stuck last.....
ROTF....

Your highlights on NOAA's US temperatures, etc PROVE my point. They only have FACTS for the last 113 years. Being one of the "10 HOTTEST"
means nothing. (one out of 10 was hotter than the years before, big deal)
If they had a year that was colder they would say it was "Global Warming" doing that.

Last I knew man has been around a little longer than 113 years.

The fact is we are in a "warming cycle", HOWEVER, it's the earths NATURAL rotation cycle doing it NOT global warming BS they talk about and get GRANT $ for researching.
If they would spend one 100th the $ on grant funding for researching the BS of global warming it would open every ones eyes, but that won't sell newspapers and make car prices climb because we need "better emissions".
It's ALL propaganda to make us ALL pay more for everything and not biotch because it's for a "good cause", -- pay for garbage removal because you need to pay to recycle, -- pay more for auto's because you need to get the new MPG standard up, -- electricity due to the power plants restrictions (nuclear or otherwise), etc. etc. etc.
The main reason is you have people with alot of money that want to make alot more, so how do you do it, have the politicians put restrictions (emissions, recycle, etc) on things so WE have to pay more.
This is exactly what the insurance companies did years ago -- lobby for mandatory insurance on ALL vehicles.
But look on the bright side -- at least we paid more -- it's has to be better, right.

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Originally posted by pentastarrail:
FACTS for the last 113 years.

Antarctic i ce cores go back 400,000 years. Look at the correlation between CO2 and temperature.

Phil and Frank both brought up points that have been mentioned on here several times already. So I'll mention this again: Whether you believe in man-made global warming or not, what is wrong with doing your part to make this a cleaner planet? Even if recycling does not help stop global warming, does that mean wasting natural resources is OK then? Does that make it OK to throw your plastics into the ground rather than be used again? Humans will eventually kill themselves off, if not go through a mass self inflicted genocide by using up all the natural resources. At the same time killing off many species at the same time. Overpopulation will be the demise of humankind. But, why not try to make this planet as good as we can while we're here?

Frank, you mention that the top 10 warmest years only covers the last 113 years. NOW, if a liberal had come no a said "Well these are the top 10 warmest years over the last 500 years", you would respond by saying that instrumentation was not accurate that far back.

See you guys throw MAN-MADE global warming and NATURAL global warming all into one. Either way, BOTH exist. We are going through a cycle, but man-made global warming is speeding up the process. Nature has time to adapt and evolve with natural global warming. But, with the help of man-made GW, the rate is much quicker than it should be.

So Jeremy, have switched to LED lights in your house yet?

The boy marches in his god algore's shoes, "do as I say, not as I do!"

Florida orange growers should've saved up some of that warming for the weather they've had this week.