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Msd 7 AL3


Worst box msd ever made. You couldn't pay me to even come near one of those disasters.


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Thought it was the converter, after all 6 experts all said so


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I have tried shifting on time also still did it. Msd 7 AL3 and the shifter is electric.

Greatest box msd ever made(black), same in my car and many, many others competing every week at tracks all across the country without issue.

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I have tried shifting on time also still did it. Msd 7 AL3 and the shifter is electric.


Is the 7AL3 the older 7230 model or the newer black 7330 model? Have the Zero chips been replaced? If 7230 model, Have you tried grounding the RET 1 – 4 terminals if not using for retard?
 
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Greatest box msd ever made(black), same in my car and many, many others competing every week at tracks all across the country without issue.


I agree that this is a very good analog ignition model. It was re-introduced in November of 2012. Grid was on the market before this.
 
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if this thing is not fixed ,just for grins reverse the trigger wires.i had a friends car do the same as yours and it fixed his


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he also has not swapped the distributor yet.
 
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If the distributor has a pick up unhook crank trigger and try the pick up in distributor.


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if this thing is not fixed ,just for grins reverse the trigger wires.i had a friends car do the same as yours and it fixed his


Good call. Don't just swap the wires and make a pass. Check timing, swap pickup wires, check timing again.

You want to run the wires in whichever configuration gives you the lowest timing advance.

With a digital MSD box, you want the configuration that gives you the highest timing advance.


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The box in it now is the black one I’ve got a red one also. Does it with either box in it. The zero chips are new in the black box and the terminals are grounded also.
 
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No pick up in the distributor
 
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No pick up in the distributor


With no pick up in distributor then there is not much to worry about there except cap and rotor.

I did have a locking plate on one that was loose and that allowed timing to move a little. You may want to remove rotor and see if it has any play in there.


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Where do you put the converter in this picture?
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 1320racer:


Where do you put the converter in this picture?[/QUOTe

Its the round grey thing right??
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Msd 7 AL3


Worst box msd ever made. You couldn't pay me to even come near one of those disasters.


I run the 7AL-2 boxes and have had three failures on them through the years. I think they are pretty good but they are not perfect. Not sure what differences are between 7AL-2 and -3.


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if this thing is not fixed ,just for grins reverse the trigger wires.i had a friends car do the same as yours and it fixed his


Good call. Don't just swap the wires and make a pass. Check timing, swap pickup wires, check timing again.

You want to run the wires in whichever configuration gives you the lowest timing advance.

With a digital MSD box, you want the configuration that gives you the highest timing advance.

Tony Leonard

i agree 100 percent,but reset timing and run car no matter which way it is.when we swapped the wires on on my friends it was supposedly correct the way it was.after swapping the wires it was fixed.


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if this thing is not fixed ,just for grins reverse the trigger wires.i had a friends car do the same as yours and it fixed his


Good call. Don't just swap the wires and make a pass. Check timing, swap pickup wires, check timing again.

You want to run the wires in whichever configuration gives you the lowest timing advance.

With a digital MSD box, you want the configuration that gives you the highest timing advance.


This is where I believe this polarity problem could occur the most. On analog ignitions like 7al2 , 7al3 or MSD8, these ignitions require you to land the trigger wires on the correct M- / M+ terminals. Sometimes mistakes are made.

On the rare occasion, it's possible the sensor could be wired incorrectly. With ignitions that have the mating plug pigtail this could possibly (rare) be wired incorrect. Same goes for the cable connecting the ignition to the trigger.

Here's a PATCH CABLE I made to switch polarity of the trigger sensor quickly .
 
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Mark, I don't have a problem, but figured I'd ask for future reference. I run an 8+ with the grid controller, is this considered analog or digital, or both?


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if this thing is not fixed ,just for grins reverse the trigger wires.i had a friends car do the same as yours and it fixed his


Good call. Don't just swap the wires and make a pass. Check timing, swap pickup wires, check timing again.

You want to run the wires in whichever configuration gives you the lowest timing advance.

With a digital MSD box, you want the configuration that gives you the highest timing advance.


This is where I believe this polarity problem could occur the most. On analog ignitions like 7al2 , 7al3 or MSD8, these ignitions require you to land the trigger wires on the correct M- / M+ terminals. Sometimes mistakes are made.

On the rare occasion, it's possible the sensor could be wired incorrectly. With ignitions that have the mating plug pigtail this could possibly (rare) be wired incorrect. Same goes for the cable connecting the ignition to the trigger.

Here's a PATCH CABLE I made to switch polarity of the trigger sensor quickly .


Don't VR sensors' leading and falling edges look considerably different? EFI systems need to know leading or falling edges.


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