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Bracket Talk Bracket Talk Forum Tech Talk - by Abruzzi Pinion angle 220 inch dragsterGo | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
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| DRR Sportsman |
Who called Jerry Bickel or Tim McAmis Today? Still waiting on that report back. Them bunch of clueless nobodies. Set your pinion angle at positive 2 degrees, zero, and then negative 2 degrees and then report back with the results after making hits down the track.This message has been edited. Last edited by: racerdude2054, | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
I like how you took out the part about Luke making claims that pinion angle adjustments are important to him in a tuning application. I guess he is not clueless about this, but only I am? Here is the link Incase you missed it https://www.facebook.com/lukeb...eos/601214140020006/ Please make sure you include calling the super-comp world champion, multi time national event winner, and million dollar race winner as being clueless for his theories on pinion angle as well I am sure he is wrong and you should really call him and tell him so that he can get his cars properly set up the Ed way and start winning more races | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
crickets.......... 272" Spitzer 540 Chevy The Blower Shop XR1 FTI XPM Series Converter FTI Level 6 Powerglide 3.69@199 .916 60' 2017 Bradenton Heads Up Madness Open Outlaw Champ 2018 PDRA T/D #5 2019 PDRA T/D #2 2020 Retired From T/D Competition.... 2020 Bradenton NMCA Hemi Shootout Winner 2021 getting back into bracket racing with a Gen3 Hemi powered 87 Cutlass. | |||
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| DRR Elite |
this thread is about PA, not Luke. Further, I don't know what his knowledge is as to setting up a chassis, never met him but I know what mine is and I don't need any help, my cars get down any track and Luke could jump in either and win another world championship. Again...
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DRR Top Comp |
I am not sure I understand what Luke was saying there but I have to respect the opinion of someone who has Won hundreds of thousands of dollars over the opinion of someone who won that one race in 1996. There is a racer I know here who wins a lot. Some people seem to think he is lucky but he is not. Like Luke, he is not lucky, he is good. While most of us are working to pay for our Hobby he is working at the track changing and testing converters, tuning etc. Luke is one of those guys who works harder at racing than most of us do at our full time job and it shows. He knows what he is doing, he knows what works and he wins. I do not consider Dave Morgan "Clueless", he wrote the book I think probably more than 30 years ago. Much has changed since then but at the time it was a very good book. He also wrote it a a BASIC book to get you thinking of how things work and not to be the all knowing. Many of us read his book, learned a few things and went from there. He said something to the effect of his book or classes are not to give you the answers but to teach you how to figure out how it works so you can figure out how to fix it. https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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| DRR Elite |
no surprise this dumb a s s^^^ thinks morgan's rag is a "very good book". Like morgan he is CLUELESS!This message has been edited. Last edited by: 1320racer, | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
Anyone call Bickel or McAmis to ask them if there can be an adjustment in hook going from 0 degrees to -1 degree? | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
Watched Luke's video.... So, let's set the record straight on a few things.... first and foremost, he/Luke has worked hard on his driving and race program to the point he can make a living doing it which means he's a great racer! But this has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about here! And this guy would win driving anything! So hanging your hat on this fact is just plain silly with respect to this tread. There are many other folks who can tune a race far better than Luke and other great drivers who just can't tune a chassis! The two are not tied together. Next, Racerdude, you need to retake chassis 101, then go back a watch the video again! The pinion angle he is talking about is totally different than what everyone else is here so it's apples and oranges. He is just referencing the pinion angle vs a horizontal line and or flat ground which he calls ZERO DEGREES. The driveshaft angle has no bearing with his reference to PA! Therefore the numbers he references have no bearing to other combo's with respect to how the rest of the world measures PA! And BTW, come on now, why in the hell would those two builders tell you swat even if you asked, and who says they would even be right! Why don't you call them and let us know how that goes just for kicks. If your so dead set on following what Luke or anyone else is doing/saying, go try it yourself rather than waste time BS'ing here not to mention stating for others to go try it and report back to you! And a word of advice, just because something works on one combo doesn't mean it would for everyone else's. If you really want to flog this deal, get a data logger with a shock travel sensor and have at it.Then report back to us!  This message has been edited. Last edited by: TOP38, | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
That is why Luke is someone who American trusts to setup and tune their cars at the track. Call American and ask them if they have Luke set up their chassis Next in the chassis 101, luke is using a different driveshaft so that he can run pinion angles that would put normal driveshafts in a bind to the point of breaking per the article I linked earlier Next, I have called them. Which is literally why I am telling others to call them who are calling BS on this thread. So please, why don't you do something I already have. Next, You said I should go do this myself and set up my car this way. I have done that and as stated earlier in this thread I have seen improvement from it. Have you tried it? Have you experimented with it? No? It is easy to say there is no difference on something you have not tried. This is why in this thread I said to go try it and then report back. yes, you are right that something that works for one combo may not work for others The thread was originally in regards to what the pinion angle should be on the car. My answer is around -1 degree to start My further advice is that a pinion angle adjustment can and will make a difference in overall consistency in a car in a game that is often won by thousandths of a second | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
Ground sensor on housing much better for this info, I can tell how hard I hit my tire within a thou........ just my .01% worth.  . NHRA Pro Stock..........now on a no CARB diet. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
I am sooooo glad I have a hardtail....... Carry on  272" Spitzer 540 Chevy The Blower Shop XR1 FTI XPM Series Converter FTI Level 6 Powerglide 3.69@199 .916 60' 2017 Bradenton Heads Up Madness Open Outlaw Champ 2018 PDRA T/D #5 2019 PDRA T/D #2 2020 Retired From T/D Competition.... 2020 Bradenton NMCA Hemi Shootout Winner 2021 getting back into bracket racing with a Gen3 Hemi powered 87 Cutlass. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
Sounds painfull !  NHRA Pro Stock..........now on a no CARB diet. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
When pinion angle and crankshaft angle are the same, life is good. XPS, not painful, but it's a little rough at first..............  272" Spitzer 540 Chevy The Blower Shop XR1 FTI XPM Series Converter FTI Level 6 Powerglide 3.69@199 .916 60' 2017 Bradenton Heads Up Madness Open Outlaw Champ 2018 PDRA T/D #5 2019 PDRA T/D #2 2020 Retired From T/D Competition.... 2020 Bradenton NMCA Hemi Shootout Winner 2021 getting back into bracket racing with a Gen3 Hemi powered 87 Cutlass. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
AGREE 100% That's the way I build my door car stuff, 9 foot fixture bolts in main caps and right into pinion support ....... try to run them there as much as possible. ........and I prefer soft tails myself . NHRA Pro Stock..........now on a no CARB diet. | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
Wait what? Then how are they great drivers? 
So Fred, have you recorded anything positive with more negative angle? You guys are making enough power that you should be able to see if the pinion trying to climb the ring gear has an effect on bite. Not that I'm trying to put you on the spot or anything.  ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
In the Pro Stock world (the most efficient drag cars on the planet ) where everything is viewed under a microscope and using all the power and resources you have, it is visible. In the big power world we also play in (Promod/Radial) it would be pretty hard to pick up.As I stated earlier, it's really small ...... but it's there ______________ (enter sexist joke here) . NHRA Pro Stock..........now on a no CARB diet. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
How's that? 272" Spitzer 540 Chevy The Blower Shop XR1 FTI XPM Series Converter FTI Level 6 Powerglide 3.69@199 .916 60' 2017 Bradenton Heads Up Madness Open Outlaw Champ 2018 PDRA T/D #5 2019 PDRA T/D #2 2020 Retired From T/D Competition.... 2020 Bradenton NMCA Hemi Shootout Winner 2021 getting back into bracket racing with a Gen3 Hemi powered 87 Cutlass. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
I make up for my shortcomings with great tuning.  . NHRA Pro Stock..........now on a no CARB diet. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
LOL! I can relate....... 272" Spitzer 540 Chevy The Blower Shop XR1 FTI XPM Series Converter FTI Level 6 Powerglide 3.69@199 .916 60' 2017 Bradenton Heads Up Madness Open Outlaw Champ 2018 PDRA T/D #5 2019 PDRA T/D #2 2020 Retired From T/D Competition.... 2020 Bradenton NMCA Hemi Shootout Winner 2021 getting back into bracket racing with a Gen3 Hemi powered 87 Cutlass. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
hahaha pun intended I'm sure. Thanks Fred. ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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