Engine loses rpm when put in gear

Kinda old school....but simple..

Try another carb, then pull the convertor...

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Kinda old school....but simple..

Try another carb, then pull the convertor...

I agree with this, it could be converter but always try the quick, cheap easy stuff before you try the hard, expensive stuff.

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will the motor deck and come up at 1.25turns,that would seem lean to me also.when screws were out to 2.25 and wouldnt start easily was the idle lower?most likely at 2.5 turns an idle motor up from there you will be getting close.

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Friend of mine said the same thing.

A friend experienced enough to spot a sprag failure, is light years beyond experienced enough to turn the mixture screws.

They've already turned the mixture screws every which way to Sunday. That's why the OP mentioned the carb was just *gone thru*.

There's a bunch of sprag converters out there still, banjo and I just bought one which turned out destroyed by a broken sprag, when TSI cut it open to make it spragless.

A bunch of spragged converters in pro charged Top Dragster? ... I havent seen one yet, granted I surely dont know everyone

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
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Originally posted by highstrung:
Friend of mine said the same thing.

A friend experienced enough to spot a sprag failure, is light years beyond experienced enough to turn the mixture screws.

They've already turned the mixture screws every which way to Sunday. That's why the OP mentioned the carb was just *gone thru*.

There's a bunch of sprag converters out there still, banjo and I just bought one which turned out destroyed by a broken sprag, when TSI cut it open to make it spragless.

A bunch of spragged converters in pro charged Top Dragster? ... I havent seen one yet, granted I surely dont know everyone

Lots of diode converters out there still too! Do you know what a diode converter is??

It's a sprag converter.

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I would call APD and see what they suggest. My guess is they could give you an easy way to figure out if it's carb issue or not.

Called APD and Abruzzi.

Abruzzi said converter is spragless...so thats off the table
APD is suggesting turning out idle mixture by one turn, and turning up curb idle screws 1 turn
guess thats next...

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Originally posted by rusty:
will the motor deck and come up at 1.25turns,that would seem lean to me also.when screws were out to 2.25 and wouldnt start easily was the idle lower?most likely at 2.5 turns an idle motor up from there you will be getting close.

trying that next...

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Originally posted by imakehp:
Kinda old school....but simple..

Try another carb, then pull the convertor...

wish I had another blow thru carb laying around...LOL
trying idle mixture screws and idle screws

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Originally posted by seabass:
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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
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Originally posted by highstrung:
Friend of mine said the same thing.

A friend experienced enough to spot a sprag failure, is light years beyond experienced enough to turn the mixture screws.

Again...Abruzzi said converter was spragless

They've already turned the mixture screws every which way to Sunday. That's why the OP mentioned the carb was just *gone thru*.

There's a bunch of sprag converters out there still, banjo and I just bought one which turned out destroyed by a broken sprag, when TSI cut it open to make it spragless.

A bunch of spragged converters in pro charged Top Dragster? ... I havent seen one yet, granted I surely dont know everyone

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Abruzzi mentioned the only thing it "could be, but HIGHLY doubt it would be stator tube loose on pump"...but he highly doubted this scenario.

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Does the converter get extremely hot ? If so that is another indication of slipped or twisted stator tube and yes it will pull the engine down at idle and also will not flash the converter very high.

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Well, for idling and going back and forth a few times on the driveway. I thought it got toasty. Trans cooler temp said 160...felt hotter. But again don't know if thats normal for this combo.

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Played around with idle mixture and idle adj screws. I go out with idle mixture screws, you go in with idle adj screws. If you go in with idle mixture screws, you go out with idle adj screws. One way or another its just a matter of whether you want to run it lean or rich. You just compensate with idle adj screws. Bottom line...at 2000rpm I can get it to idle in drive at 1250 ish. Any which way you dial it. It pulls down 750-800 rpm in drive. No idea if thats normal for this car. Trans got kind of warm for just idling in driveway and a few easy idles up and down the driveway. Dont have any baseline for that either. Maybe converter that tight? Idk...

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mine is normally 1250 in n or p, 1000ish in gear

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Do the idle mixture screws make a noticeable difference when turning them out? I had one that pulled down in gear and wanted to die. I had to change idle air bleeds to a smaller size. If your mixture screws make an obvious difference then that is probably not it. I have never been around a blow through so maybe it is a total different set up.

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mine is normally 1250 in n or p, 1000ish in gear

Yeah...you and everyone else except me is in that ballpark. Hence my posting. I know all the combos are different. I was even looking at the fact that the cam is installed at 117deg which Im to understand could account for some of this. Just dont wan to take it out to the track and blow something up when my gut says something could be amiss. I just have no history with this car to know whats right and whats wrong. Sticky position...

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Do the idle mixture screws make a noticeable difference when turning them out? I had one that pulled down in gear and wanted to die. I had to change idle air bleeds to a smaller size. If your mixture screws make an obvious difference then that is probably not it. I have never been around a blow through so maybe it is a total different set up.

I found you adjusted idle mixture, and compensated with idle adj screws. Either way it still tugs motor down 800rpm from park to drive.

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Why not stall the converter on the brake? Should at least tell you which area of the car to focus on.

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Sounds like a vaccum leak. Base of intake gasket to lifter valley can be a hard one to find but you’ll know it for sure when you pressurize the crank case and push a bunch of oil out all the cracks and crevices.

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Sounds like a vaccum leak. Base of intake gasket to lifter valley can be a hard one to find but you’ll know it for sure when you pressurize the crank case and push a bunch of oil out all the cracks and crevices.

Simply block the crankcase vents and check for vacuum present while idling.

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