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Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
-so, how many more reasons should we create to encourage people to quit? And what have we done lately to encourage someone to enter our sport? Think about it.

That pretty well sums up my feelings about it as well, the more rules and more restrictions we have isn’t gonna encourage more people to give bracket racing a try, they will focus on something else. Why make rules that’s got the possibility of discouraging car counts over something so simple as restricting how a competitor prefers to stage??

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Originally posted by Toad1:
So the magnetic strips and display for "inching it in" is BADDD???
IHRA has no clue, maybe if some of them actually raced or had to pay for their own racing....it would be different?
MSD Grids to help traction on bad tracks, throttle enhancers, tree-blockers, good drivers, skill, luck, maybe all of that should be deemed illegal. What is wrong with everyone.
Want to go deep? put it on the car and let them do it. WOW, can't be that difficult can it. MAYBE put the starter back in charge of actually "starting the races" OMG, the humanity of it all.
Wonder why bracket racing is dying off? Just read this whole string of posts, its getting clearer where the issues lie.

Disappointing to be part of it. Big races grow, local tracks have to switch to Test and Tune and No-Prep..to survive.

I can agree with some of this, and I think Boucher would as well from reading some of his previous posts. I’m all for removing the electronic gidgets and gagets out of the sport and an actual starter that knows the deal for controlling the race. But unfortunately like a lot of things in the world the market has gone too far with technology to allow it to get back to this point. I think Quain Stott said it best years ago when he removed the word driver from his side window and put rider instead. With all these electronic features in cars in the name of safety that makes drivers keep both hands on the wheel takes away the “driving” aspect. Now I’m not saying safety should be totally disregarded but let’s see who can drive and who can ride!!

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Originally posted by tim griffith:

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I fought this very same fight in 1976 , although the reasons for banning it were different

you guys were cheating,,,,same way chad (Lizzard) cheats now,,,,LOL !!!

Tim, you tried to tell me but I just wouldn’t listen!!

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Originally posted by tim griffith:

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I know it seems most of the Jersey guys that travel south seem to DEEP stage

I thought that was "THE" rule up north....LOL !!!

They do call it the “Jersey Slide”

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Originally posted by 442OLDS:
Will some just adapt or quit?

No, you just go to a different event. It's not like there's not enough events to choose from these days. IHRA is extraordinarily late to the party.

My car has always been a slow leaver, but I had it to the point where I could be competitive, and have run it in the Box class from time to time. Since changing over to a 408 combination and taking all the gear out of the car, I lost my 'shallow' spot, and have only run the Box class once since (Richmond Dragway, where the rollout is tight enough to go shallow). Other than that, I had started Deep Staging. Last year, I started making adjustments trying to get back to shallow. Still need another .020-.030 to get there comfortably. Don't like it, but I've even flirted with the idea of putting a transbrake in the car, so I could run No-Box or bottom bulb it in Box, and then I could go Deep and footbrake at Footbrake events. Maybe I just need to put the 5.17 gear back in it, since 1/4-mile racing is about gone anyway.

Im a Top racer but it would seem to me that its pretty simple, if you have 100 top cars and 100 no box cars, it would be real easy for a no box car to make it to the big money round, so to me appears it that doesn't happen, its their own fought for not supporting an event such as this, in fact a no box guy can actually win more money than I can, they are racing for a minimum of $11,000 and another bonus for being an SSS racer, I call bull-hit, why does a no box racer get to run for more money than I do in box, I have way more invested in my racing operation. Does my argument make sense or am I missing something.

They are not going to get 100 Box/100 No-Box, because most No-Box feel they are at a disadvantage against a Box car. It's an incentive to try to get No-Box racers to try running a Box race.

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why does a no box racer get to run for more money than I do in box, I have way more invested in my racing operation.

Does the Box racer that has less invested than you get paid less money than you?
Does the Box racer that has more invested than you get paid less money than you?

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:
They are not going to get 100 Box/100 No-Box, because most No-Box feel they are at a disadvantage against a Box car. It's an incentive to try to get No-Box racers to try running a Box race.

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why does a no box racer get to run for more money than I do in box, I have way more invested in my racing operation.

Does the Box racer that has less invested than you get paid less money than you?
Does the Box racer that has more invested than you get paid less money than you?

thank you Michael for making that as clear as mud.

Ducky you convinced me that I could shallow stage and I have made the car work that way most places but I still like to have the option to go deep.

And there it is---"I have more money in my car so I should get paid more" Really?

And although some refer to it as the "Jersey Slide" it was originally called the Indiana slide because Jim Young started it when we were there---I think.

Lizzard called a cheater by Tim? Now that's the kettle calling the pot black. Anyone else ever see a Jeep wagon checked for illegal equipment? Same Jeep that drove to Pamona and won the national championship. You can't hide Tim. LOL

And there it is---"I have more money in my car so I should get paid more" Really?


As usual, I was trying to make a point and it flew right over your head Fern,

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Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
A good many where it is allowed. And yes some have quit because of not being allowed to deep stage, some quit because of no-box, some quit because of double entries, and some quit because of buy backs, and some quit just because of the BS that happens----so, how many more reasons should we create to encourage people to quit? And what have we done lately to encourage someone to enter our sport? Think about it.

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Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
Ducky you convinced me that I could shallow stage and I have made the car work that way most places but I still like to have the option to go deep.

And there it is---"I have more money in my car so I should get paid more" Really?

And although some refer to it as the "Jersey Slide" it was originally called the Indiana slide because Jim Young started it when we were there---I think.

Lizzard called a cheater by Tim? Now that's the kettle calling the pot black. Anyone else ever see a Jeep wagon checked for illegal equipment? Same Jeep that drove to Pamona and won the national championship. You can't hide Tim. LOL

And the reason Jimmy and Andrew just to name a couple of racers do the "Jersey Slide".... Because of tracks that won't HONOR Deep!

It's a shame when there are two races during the same pass, first one is from the water box to the staging line. No one wants to do it, we get our hand forced by stupid decisions by tracks.....

And Beard hit it right on the nose. Why do so many of us that race 1/4 mile tracks have to Deep Stage, even with our mid to low 9 second cars? We can't run the steep gears that the 1/8 miles racers run! Makes a big difference hitting the tree between a 4.56 and a 5.17 or taller gear.

I used to Deep Stage at 2500 running an 8.90 Index Class at my local track. Everyone else on the Brake at 4000+, I am at 2500 on the Footbrake. Won a LOT of races doing that!

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:
They are not going to get 100 Box/100 No-Box, because most No-Box feel they are at a disadvantage against a Box car. It's an incentive to try to get No-Box racers to try running a Box race.

Here’s the class Byron Dragway offers for this. The class is called Super Pro. It runs together with a Super Pro Box side and a Super Pro No-Box side separated. They run until there is only one Box and one No-Box left. Those two racers run for the WIN /RU money. If one side has more entries than the other, the side that is down to one racer has to wait for the other side to get to one. One BB to second rd and no double entry. 8 to 9 rounds to Win.

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And the reason Jimmy and Andrew just to name a couple of racers do the "Jersey Slide".... Because of tracks that won't HONOR Deep!It's a shame when there are two races during the same pass, first one is from the water box to the staging line. No one wants to do it, we get our hand forced by stupid decisions by tracks.....And Beard hit it right on the nose. Why do so many of us that race 1/4 mile tracks have to Deep Stage, even with our mid to low 9 second cars? We can't run the steep gears that the 1/8 miles racers run! Makes a big difference hitting the tree between a 4.56 and a 5.17 or taller gear.

Couldn't agree any more with ya Mike !!!!


Seems like all my plans are getting ruined too .......... No deep in IHRA and some IHRA tracks going to NHRA

If it wasn't for my taxes I'd stay in Jersey !!!!!! Nah, still wouldn't

If I go button racing I am going to install a delay box. But the way you describe is better because the worse that can happen to the bottom bulb racer is he gets runner up, and top person will be reluctant to split. Now who gets the semi money? What is the reason for not having 2 classes ?

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And although some refer to it as the "Jersey Slide"

LOL!!!!! ive never heard it called that !!!LOL!!!!!!

BTW----wife just sent text and said "I had to go back to work,,,I cant argue with you guys anymore today !!!"

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Originally posted by HS professor:

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And the reason Jimmy and Andrew just to name a couple of racers do the "Jersey Slide".... Because of tracks that won't HONOR Deep!It's a shame when there are two races during the same pass, first one is from the water box to the staging line. No one wants to do it, we get our hand forced by stupid decisions by tracks.....And Beard hit it right on the nose. Why do so many of us that race 1/4 mile tracks have to Deep Stage, even with our mid to low 9 second cars? We can't run the steep gears that the 1/8 miles racers run! Makes a big difference hitting the tree between a 4.56 and a 5.17 or taller gear.

Couldn't agree any more with ya Mike !!!!


Seems like all my plans are getting ruined too .......... No deep in IHRA and some IHRA tracks going to NHRA

If it wasn't for my taxes I'd stay in Jersey !!!!!! Nah, still wouldn't

You, me, and 25% or more of the state will not retire here and live out our last days....

I'm hoping Charlie at US13 will let us Deep, I wouldn't mind living in Delaware. Still can hit Cecil to see my Jersey friends.

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Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
If I go button racing I am going to install a delay box. But the way you describe is better because the worse that can happen to the bottom bulb racer is he gets runner up, and top person will be reluctant to split. Now who gets the semi money? What is the reason for not having 2 classes ?

The race is $5k / $2k win /ru and $1k semi. Because Super Pro is “One” class, if you are on a side that is short and has to wait, the looser of the round to one is “not” paid semi money because it’s not the semi. The other side that is going one round more to one “is” paying semi money. If both sides even, then semi money paid to both sides.

Whenever I’m on a side that is short one round, I try and do a split. Sometimes % or guaranteed amount. I like %.

They have a Street class and Pro class that runs only one of the two weekend days. Super Pro pays the most.

Since this thread has moved a bit toward how some tracks/events are combining the final round winners in each eliminator, it is giving me a flashback. A flashback from WAY back. Back in the late 1970s, 75-80 Dragway used to have what they called Top Dog. It wasn't run every weekend, just about once a month (but they did still have regular weekly bracket races). There were four bracket eliminators, back in those days: Super Pro, Pro, Heavy, and Street. The difference was in the dial-ins, not the equipment allowed. At Top Dog events, after regular eliminations were complete, and the three eliminator winners had been determined, the four winners were thrown together for two rounds to determine the "Top Dog". Folks loved it.

What was once old is now new again. Take care. Tom Worthington