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Not true for all divisions. All classes are run 1/4 mile in division 1 at the bracket finals.
 
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As I remember at one time NHRA in Div 1 was 0 to 10.99 was Super Pro, 11.00 to 11.99 was pro, 12.00 to 13.99 was heavy and 14.00 up was street. At that time there were no restrictions of any kind just the ET breaks. That was many years ago and over the years it kept changing. My last trip to a Div 1 track they had only 2 classes and ran 1/8 mile.
 
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I am confused...it is my understanding that the NHRA bracket racing has these classes...Super Pro which allows all electronics run at 1/8 mile...Pro ET which allows trans brakes and two steps but no delay boxes also run at 1/8 mile...Sportsman which is footbrake only/no electronics and run at 1/4 mile...of course they have the junior dragster classes and junior sportsman as well...

Sounds like you are speaking of the Pro ET class...if my buddy in the blue S-dime won the class you are thinking of it is absolutely Pro ET...I have never heard of an NHRA class called "footbrake"...

Bristol is NHRA,Super Pro is box class but Pro is pure footbrake, Sportsman is 1/4mi. pure footbrake. I'm sure bracket finals are different.
 
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I am confused...it is my understanding that the NHRA bracket racing has these classes...Super Pro which allows all electronics run at 1/8 mile...Pro ET which allows trans brakes and two steps but no delay boxes also run at 1/8 mile...Sportsman which is footbrake only/no electronics and run at 1/4 mile...of course they have the junior dragster classes and junior sportsman as well...

Sounds like you are speaking of the Pro ET class...if my buddy in the blue S-dime won the class you are thinking of it is absolutely Pro ET...I have never heard of an NHRA class called "footbrake"...


This is exactly correct, EXCEPT at the division finals, Sportsman for some reason is run on the 1/8 mile, not the 1/4 mile.


That could be interesting Mike...run 1/4 mile all year and then switch to the 1/8 at the div. finals...yipers!...
 
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I am confused...it is my understanding that the NHRA bracket racing has these classes...Super Pro which allows all electronics run at 1/8 mile...Pro ET which allows trans brakes and two steps but no delay boxes also run at 1/8 mile...Sportsman which is footbrake only/no electronics and run at 1/4 mile...of course they have the junior dragster classes and junior sportsman as well...

Sounds like you are speaking of the Pro ET class...if my buddy in the blue S-dime won the class you are thinking of it is absolutely Pro ET...I have never heard of an NHRA class called "footbrake"...


This is exactly correct, EXCEPT at the division finals, Sportsman for some reason is run on the 1/8 mile, not the 1/4 mile.


That could be interesting Mike...run 1/4 mile all year and then switch to the 1/8 at the div. finals...yipers!...

Easier/better that way than the other way around. All 1/4 mile racers have 1/8th mile data. 1/8th mile racers do not have 1/4 mile data, and in many instances, like mine, the car isn't even capable of running 1/4 mile without significant adjustments (I run out of gear at about 1000ft).

Other than playing with my street cars in sportsman, I have never made a competitive quarter mile pass bracket racing. Some might argue I've never made any to the 1/8th mile either :-)
 
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[quote]I also attended the Bristol 100K Labor Day event and NO ONE was allowed trans brakes or a 2 step on the starting line. Can't understand why NHRA would allow this.[/quote
You were at an NHRA facility, but you weren't racing under NHRA sanction or rules.
Part of any game in understanding the rules before you play the game.
Same facility and when they bracket race in the points series they use Tru-Start. When you race there Labor day they didn't use Tru-Start. This past weekend when they had the Fall Fling Tru-Start was used. Different game different rules.
 
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AS was said, footbrake is footbrake. Doesn't matter what name you give it. It's MANUAL control of your vehicle from the launch to the stripe. What's so hard about leaving that alone. Could it be some less skilled footbrakers are employing "crutches" (2 step/transbrake) to make themselves more competitive and are crying to the track owners to allow them in? And why limit ET in footbrake? There are guys running 5.60's at my track in TRUE footbrake cars. If anything, put an upper limit on FB not a lower limit. There should be a rivalry between the delay box folks and the MANUAL CONTROL folks.


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I knew trans brakes were allowed in FB BUT I didn't realize that a 2 step was also allowed. Using a transbrake AND a 2 step, IMHO, violates the spirit of FB. I attended the bracket finals at Atlanta this weekend and many FB cars were using those devices. I checked with the division directer and the tech guy and the NHRA rules on that subject are as clear as MUD. They are contradictory. I can't understand why those devices are permitted in FB at all. It seems to me that using those assists you are half way toward the delay box class. I also attended the Bristol 100K Labor Day event and NO ONE was allowed trans brakes or a 2 step on the starting line. Can't understand why NHRA would allow this.


Most of your issues are based on a false premise.

The NHRA Div. 2 Bracket Finals Pro E.T. class is *NOT* a Footbrake class. NHRA Div. 2 Pro E.T. at the Bracket Finals is a No-Box class, therefore transbrakes and 2-steps are permitted. There is nothing unclear or contradictory about that rule. FOOTBRAKE is FOOTBRAKE. No-Box is No-Box.

Your statement about the Labor Day event at Bristol is also false. While transbrakes may not be used, stick-shift cars are permitted a 2-step, and there was at least one stick car in attendance. We *were* checked in the late rounds.


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Footbrake car counts are higher than S/P car counts on a regular basis around here.

So it's not dead.

....and footbrake (locally) is just that. No transbrake no 2 or 3 step except for manual transmission cars which are allowed to use a 2 step. Rules specifically state it is designed to be a foot brake class where you leave the line swapping feet rather than button launch. Also no air/electric shift.

I have and still run both but much prefer footbrake. More challenging being that there are more ways to lose the race.
 
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Wanna get confused? Go to a track that calls the classes Pro (Top E.T.) and Street (Footbrake).
 
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Why does NHRA keep f***ing with the rules? Footbrake has morphed from it's original self into this 2 step/transbrake stuff. Now FB is essentially a STREET class for much slower cars. I don't understand the rationale for this drastic change. For bracket racing, there should be *TWO* basic classes.....one class that uses all sorts of electronic assists and one that uses *NO* assists. What's so hard about that. At the Atlanta Bracket Finals, the division director and tech director couldn't agree on whether or not 2 steps/transbrakes were to be allowed in PRO ET. The rule book is VERY confusing. In one section it says *NO 2 STEPS* and down at the bottom of the paragraph is says 2 steps allowed. WTF!!!! It was a CLUSTERF**K. To make matters worse, the purpose of the entire race was to recognize the racers that have participated in the POINTS SERIES for the entire year. The actual race, the MAIN EVENT, for these people was to take place on Saturday. We were told no time run for the main event. WTF again. Several years ago, I went to an IHRA bracket finals weekend and it was COMPLETELY different. 16 TOP, 16 FB and 8 Jrs, represented each track. The ENTIRE weekend was devoted to these points racers. No outsiders were allowed to enter. Yet here we are at this NHRA crap, and we can't even get a time run for the main event. Unbieveable.
 
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I agree with 1320 on this one. I don’t know how or why the op is so confused. Nhra Div2 pro et has been no box for probably 10/15 years. He must be new to nhra races and how they do things. Even if at your home track pro is fb only at the div finals it’s no box.
 
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Sunshine won bracket finals every year, it was a given.

IHRA and NHRA Division 2

Can anyone name a year Sunshine didn't win bracket finals? Confused

It was the one time Bradenton won it, can't remember the year.
 
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I agree with 1320 on this one. I don’t know how or why the op is so confused. Nhra Div2 pro et has been no box for probably 10/15 years.(or more) He must be new to nhra races and how they do things. Even if at your home track pro is fb only at the div finals it’s no box.
 
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Sorry about the double post.
 
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I don't see why a 2 step would be necessary to be competitive.
Improve your game,don't worry about the "rules".
 
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I agree with 1320 on this one. I don’t know how or why the op is so confused. Nhra Div2 pro et has been no box for probably 10/15 years.(or more) He must be new to nhra races and how they do things. Even if at your home track pro is fb only at the div finals it’s no box.


The OP is promoting the idea of bringing back pure footbrake no electronics racing.

Hell, I'd like to see it as well.

It'll never happen though, and the OP isn't the first to push the idea. Nor will he be the last.
 
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Mike Pageland won the IHRA Div 2 bracket finals 3 out of the last 10 years I raced there. I think Micheal Beard won one of those years in FOOT BRAKE! One was 2010 and one was 2014 forget the other but it was in that same time frame.
 
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IHRA Division 2 East "Super E.T." changed from Footbrake to No-Box in 2010. Air/Electric Shifters were permitted in 2009.


Won in 2009, was the announcer in 2010.


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