It's time to have a serious conversation about who, or what caused the Corona (COVID-19) Pandemic Virus that has infected millions and killed hundreds of thousands of American Citizens.

Here are aa few indisputable FACTS:

Fact#1

The point of origination is Wuhan, China. No question!

Fact#2

A Military Laboratory located in Wuhan, China was working on a variety of programs developing deadly pathogen viruses so they could develop cures for them, Corona (COVID-19) Virus was one of the Viruses.

Fact#3

This virus either escapes from the Laboratory (Hard to believe) or it is intentionally released into the public sector of Wuhan to study it's effect on a human population. In either event many citizens of Wuhan were infected and many die.

Fact#4

The Corona (Covid-19) virus creates a Pandemic and spreads throughout the Word infecting and killing millions of people. Millions of Americans are infected and thousands die each day. The economy of America is decimated. Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer financial hardships, many forever losing their businesses,

Fact#5

Many of our own Politicians defend China's actions and label anyone who criticizes China for this Pandemic as a Xenophobic racist. Many Politicians and American (??) citizens cast blame on the very folks who are trying to defeat this virus, The Presidents Pandemic Response Team. Some of these people have threatened the lives of the Team members, Dr.Fouci in particular. These folks are trying to protect you and your Family , and you want to kill them?

It's time to demand that Congress investigate any member of The House or The Senate who has defended and deflected any blame on China and has a financial investment in China.

HERE IS WHY:

(A) China claims that they have stopped the spread of Corona (Covid-19) Virus in China but are unwilling to share that information with The World. They "Built it" but are unwilling to "Share the cure". And no one in Congress questions this, WHY????

(B) China claims that NONE of it's Military EVER became infected, while the Citizens and Militaries of every Country in The World have been effected.

CONCLUSION:

Either Members of Congress are:

(A) Incredibly stupid, or Politically driven, blind to the devastating impact the virus has on America.

OR

(B) Have a financial investment to protect and are willing to subject America (and the World) to the spread of the Corona (Covid-19) Virus, regardless of how many people it kills.

It's A or B folks, there is no "C".

Maybe you should have a conversation with your Congress Member.

Bob

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Originally posted by RPROGAS:
It's time to have a serious conversation about who, or what caused the Corona (COVID-19) Pandemic Virus that has infected millions and killed hundreds of thousands of American Citizens.

I'm sorry but I can't get past your first sentence if we're going to have a serious conversation. You said "has infected millions and killed hundreds of thousands of American Citizens." That's simply not true. Covid-19 has currently infected 605,390 Americans and caused 24,582 deaths in the USA. That's not millions infected, or hundreds of thousands killed.

I obviously can't verify the absolutes of the info on this site but based on many different reported counts it is probably somewhat accurate.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We have a Congress with NO COURAGE, a President who is pretty much working to help Americans all by himself along with Pence, to get back to work.
Yes, I agree something real "stinky" is going on in China. They found out America can be disabled without any troops involved.
The media joined right in, anything to try to damage Trump's team and sell more ads.
Now China knows our Congressional leadership (that's an overstatement) cannot or will not work together because they aren't personally gaining to do that. All of Congress needs to be investigated to see where their finances are based. BUY American, keep our money here! We can financially ruin China if we tell them to shove the iPhones and a million other things we can build in the USA
It is painfully obvious of the great divide between the "haves" (Federal and State govt leaders who are still being paid for accomplishing nothing) and the "have-nots" (the American workers and small business owners).
Rebellion is going to happen, which is totally avoidable if we are allowed to go about our lives.
Yes, the weak, the elderly (that's me by the way 69 years old) and chronically ill may become infected and not survive. Ruining a way of life is not the answer. If you are weakened by illnesses, stay inside, ask a neighbor to drop off supplies. Be smart.

Don't let the battle between political parties continue to ruin America, we deserve better and SOON!

Let's get back to NORMAL!!

Jok
Trailer Toad LLC
"Made in Minnesota, USA!!"

Fact is that it's an engineered virus, intentionally released, to do exactly what its doing. Just look at the timing and circumstances....that tells you all you need to know. Too many coincidences to be chance...

I agree, ANY politician that's supporting or otherwise not condemning China on this, or is demanding money for countries such as Iran, NEED to be investigated with a microscope!!! All you need to do is follow the money and you'll have your answers.

It's not conspiracy. It's obvious as hell if you just open your eyes and pay attention.

Honestly, it's time to get the money out of gov't and implement STRICT term limits at all positions of public service to not more than two terms, TOTAL. Pick an office and run for it...get elected twice for ANY office, and you're done. Period...Back to the workforce for you. I think that alone would solve about 75% of the problems we have right now with big gov't. The other piece of the puzzle, PUNISH elected reps who break the law!! Removal from office, incarceration, loss of everything...you get the picture....and take away the golden parachutes as well. No lifetime retirement, medical benefits, etc for elected officials either. You get paid per diem when you're in session, nothing when you're out. Medical while you're in session, at an average cost to you, based on current rates across the states for typical coverage. I can go on but you get the idea......

One more thing....


PLEASE STOP CALLING THEM OUR ELECTED LEADERS!!!!! They are not leaders, they are REPRESENTATIVES!!! They work for us!!!

I'm with Woody on the deal about calling those numbers facts. The numbers seem to be downright inaccurate. Plus, it's widely accepted that people who are dying from a multitude of other things are being called Covid deaths. So we know in our minds at least the death number for all practical purposes is overstated.

But to call any of the items "facts". I don't know how you verify any of that with the limited data we have. At best we can make educated assumptions. All indications do seem to be that it originated in Wuhan. It seems overly coincidental that there is a research lab nearby to the wet market where the suspected origin happened. And we are dealing with China for getting some of our information. They spew half truths and lies with regularity. Maybe the wet market had nothing to do with anything. Maybe it was much much earlier than what they claim. Maybe a lot of things that we simply don't have any hard facts about.

The only real conclusion I can come to is that the Chinese government did us dirty again, and are lying to us about it.....business as usual when it comes to that country.

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Honestly, it's time to get the money out of gov't and implement STRICT term limits at all positions of public service to not more than two terms, TOTAL. Pick an office and run for it...get elected twice for ANY office, and you're done. Period...Back to the workforce for you. I think that alone would solve about 75% of the problems we have right now with big gov't. The other piece of the puzzle, PUNISH elected reps who break the law!! Removal from office, incarceration, loss of everything...you get the picture....and take away the golden parachutes as well. No lifetime retirement, medical benefits, etc for elected officials either. You get paid per diem when you're in session, nothing when you're out. Medical while you're in session, at an average cost to you, based on current rates across the states for typical coverage. I can go on but you get the idea......

Something that makes so much sense, that will probably never happen unless Americans FORCE it. We NEED this.

I bet many more people have had it or have it than the numbers show. where I work 10 people have tested positive yet have not or show no symptoms except loss of taste. no fever, no cough, no shortness of breathe no nothing just loss of taste.

ep

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Honestly, it's time to get the money out of gov't and implement STRICT term limits at all positions of public service to not more than two terms, TOTAL. Pick an office and run for it...get elected twice for ANY office, and you're done. Period...Back to the workforce for you. I think that alone would solve about 75% of the problems we have right now with big gov't. The other piece of the puzzle, PUNISH elected reps who break the law!! Removal from office, incarceration, loss of everything...you get the picture....and take away the golden parachutes as well. No lifetime retirement, medical benefits, etc for elected officials either. You get paid per diem when you're in session, nothing when you're out. Medical while you're in session, at an average cost to you, based on current rates across the states for typical coverage. I can go on but you get the idea......

Something that makes so much sense, that will probably never happen unless Americans FORCE it. We NEED this.

d@mn politicians are not going to vote for this. you are talking about people who added themselves a pay raise in on the relief bill.

ep-

Woody the numbers you mentioned only reflect the Media's accounting for people who were tested and reported in the USA as having the virus, that number is far short of the actual count.

The numbers I listed include all the American Citizens who are stranded overseas (or Mexico and Canada) as well as the Citizens here in the USA. My wife and I have a daughter, her husband and two grandchildren stranded in Italy since the beginning of this Pandemic. The actual number of American Citizens who are also stranded or refused to leave those Countries is huge. Adding all of them to those here who were infected and those never diagnosed (because they either did NOT know they had the virus or were never tested) brings the actual infected total far above the numbers reported by the Media.

When you add everyone, that number far exceeds the Media's totals. I probably should have mention that my numbers included American Citizens living or visiting other Countries.

The point of this post is to identify members of Congress with ulterior motives (financial and otherwise) for withholding information about who was responsible, who is defending them and who is shifting blame toward those trying to fix the problem (example, Dr. Fauci).

What a perfect test for Socialism. 1/2 of America is rejoicing that the government is paying them not to work and telling creditors that they can't go after collections. And you ask why the government isn't doing anything to China?

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Originally posted by RPROGAS:
Corona (COVID-19) Pandemic Virus that has infected millions and killed hundreds of thousands of American Citizens.

Total BS. Killed hundreds of thousands? Even the 31,000 death number that our government is reporting is inflated. Why would you post something ridiculous like that?

Mike:

31,000 reported in the US so far and the count is far from over if we are less than half way through this. No one know what the final count will be but as I said if you add in all the American's who live overseas, my estimate my be closer than you think (hopefully not).

Bob

Just the fact Congress is not even in session right now should tell you a lot. They wont be back till May 4. That's pitiful. Trump, whether you like him or not, is working on this problem daily, 7 days a week. He hasn't left the White House in over a month. Why is Congress home? Every one of them has a house or condo in DC, get your azz back there and get to work.

Agree with lots of comments.

One its China's doing accident or intentional. Leaning towards last one myself.

Now how do we do something against China other than money wise(tariffs or sanctions)? If we went to war some would be happy and others who are blaming Trump for doing nothing would be going off deep end."I told you he was war monger and would start WWIII",.

Sometimes you have to play the long game,even when short game would make you feel better.

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Originally posted by 67 Goat:
Just the fact Congress is not even in session right now should tell you a lot. They wont be back till May 4. That's pitiful. Trump, whether you like him or not, is working on this problem daily, 7 days a week. He hasn't left the White House in over a month. Why is Congress home? Every one of them has a house or condo in DC, get your azz back there and get to work.

Really? You said congress and work in same statement. WTH are you thinking. Only people in world who figure they need 50k a year raise when they quite after being at work for 1-1/2 hours.

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Originally posted by RPROGAS:
Mike:

31,000 reported in the US so far and the count is far from over if we are less than half way through this. No one know what the final count will be but as I said if you add in all the American's who live overseas, my estimate my be closer than you think (hopefully not).

Bob

Not even close. And I am unaware of any Americans succumbing to COVID19 overseas.

One thing for sure that has recently been exposed to the American Public-The Democrats truly do NOT care about your health. There too busy looking for power and control while the people can not protect them selves at this time. They are Communist simply by voting against any help you need. When you vote remember what a DIRTBAG is.

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Originally posted by RPROGAS:
Woody the numbers you mentioned only reflect the Media's accounting for people who were tested and reported in the USA as having the virus, that number is far short of the actual count.

The numbers I listed include all the American Citizens who are stranded overseas (or Mexico and Canada) as well as the Citizens here in the USA. My wife and I have a daughter, her husband and two grandchildren stranded in Italy since the beginning of this Pandemic. The actual number of American Citizens who are also stranded or refused to leave those Countries is huge. Adding all of them to those here who were infected and those never diagnosed (because they either did NOT know they had the virus or were never tested) brings the actual infected total far above the numbers reported by the Media.

When you add everyone, that number far exceeds the Media's totals. I probably should have mention that my numbers included American Citizens living or visiting other Countries.

The point of this post is to identify members of Congress with ulterior motives (financial and otherwise) for withholding information about who was responsible, who is defending them and who is shifting blame toward those trying to fix the problem (example, Dr. Fauci).

You're numbers simply aren't true. Worldwide there's a little over 2 million cases with ~140,000 deaths. This isn't American citizens, this is everyone world wide. That's quite a stretch from "infected millions and killed hundreds of thousands of American Citizens."

I suspect that there's more non US Citizens infected in the USA, than there's US citizens infected in other countries. The numbers are being inflated to spread panic.