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you're not really comparing solar panels from the 70's vs solar systems of today are you? Lol I'm sure it varies by area, like in sure in constantly raining, cloudy areas solar isn't very efficient. But in northern California, we have sun and lots of it. And solar is on probably over 50% of the homes and lots of business' are installing solar. Like I said before, mine will be paid back to me in 2 years of use by lack of electric bill. And it would only take 3 years with no tax credit. When the panels and inverters are guaranteed for 30 years, that means likely 27 years of free electricity. All new construction has solar here. Again, it's sunny here, it makes sense here. Other places it doesn't make sense. .991 60' 4.36 @ 159 so far..... 6.86 @ 198 trying for more...... 533" single carb 235" Harrison 4-link | |||
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I would think so, else they wouldn't have them. Here is why I am guessing: Just like slot machines that are springing up everywhere....the business does not own nor service the machines. They get paid depending on various methods of calculation. Someone else does all the work. It's just a profit center. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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| DRR Elite |
It kinda depends on all the things you use your vehicle for. Commutes probably lend themselves well to the electronic boxes. Travel league or vacations, not at all. And if the power is off, that vehicle is close to disabled. And you are right, often not a problem. Your quick payback of the solar is likely because of your very high rates out there. If I could achieve a two year payback here in Illinois, I would jump on solar. But running the numbers I have yet to come close to that. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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It's not about how far it will go, it's about how long it takes to re-charge and go again. Because ANY vehicle with an IC powerplant can re-fuel and be gone again in 5 minutes or less. Mike | |||
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In a free market, that is exactly what might eventually happen, but in a free market, politicians can't wield power, dole out favors, and reap kickbacks. Mike | |||
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If it makes SO much sense then why did you get a tax credit? You know, they taxed (punished) other people and gave you, for falling in line, their money. I'm for any energy source that can profitably support it's existence. The same people that convinced you to buy solar, or made you think it was your idea, are the same ones that prefer, if not demand, the term birthing person or menstruation person for a woman. If you haven't already bought into those phrases don't worry, you will with just a bit more conditioning. We know they're not trying to control you, it's just common courtesy.... right?  Illegitimi non carborundum | |||
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I leased a solar system for 20 years, got no rebate from anyone. In 20 years I will be (hopefully) 100 so any cost/expense beyond that period means nothing to me. Meanwhile I have zero investment in the system, maintenance is free for the next 20 years and my monthly payment to the Solar Company is $149.55, it will never increase. I watch my electric bill drop from $420 per month during the summer to less than $15.00 (plus the $149.55 monthly fee to the Solar Company). My average winter electric bill averaged $310 so I still save $164 each month. I saved $2520 the first year, and at least that amount every year since. I apologize to no one for switching to solar. Bob | |||
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Seriously, congratulations on a very sound financial move.... for you. What you outlined above is hardly a sustainable business model, and much of your benefits will be paid by others or that company won't be around for you to reap your benefits. Business is business and you made a killer deal! Illegitimi non carborundum | |||
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That's exactly why we made the deal. I've told that they (the Solar Company) no longer are offering that type of deal, probably because they can't be making a lot of money at $149.55 per month. SDG&E now wants to penalized everyone who has a Solar System to make up for the lost revenue. So far the PUC has rejected that motion. There are a lot of issues with living in California, a lot of sun isn't one of them. Bob | |||
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I wonder if these arguments were had when the first IC vehicles came out? LOL I'm not against electric vehicles, I just don't care for the lies told to me about them from the people pushing them the most. I still think the hybrid is the most practical at the moment. My daughter has a hybrid Volvo that has done her well. It's also the only model SUV she could fit her family in that has never registered a death in an accident. ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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I already gave you the numbers, the system without the credit would pay off the the entire cost in 3 years instead of 2. Only a stubborn moron wouldn't take that deal. Why are they giving credits? Probably to push an agenda, or maybe it's to improve the power grid that so many people want to ***** about not being good enough, but also get mad when something is done about it. Lol who really cares, I pay a **** load of taxes, I'm smart enough to take advantage of the credits when available. Just like with the tesla, you'll be equally pissed when I tell you I get a $750 tax credit on that also. That said the solar credit is all but gone now, that program is all but gone, and guess what? People are still installing solar and saving money doing so, while inadvertently improving the power grid. And taking load off the power company equipment. Now keep in mind, my system was designed and installed by me, 100%. It cost about 25 grand with all engineering, permits, and parts. Quotes I got for the same capability were more then triple that at essentially 80 grand. Would that be worth it? Realistically, yes. But it would take like 10 years to recoup the cost and that's a bit tough. Would I do it again? Absolutely 100% .991 60' 4.36 @ 159 so far..... 6.86 @ 198 trying for more...... 533" single carb 235" Harrison 4-link | |||
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How do you end up with a $8k/yr electric bill? Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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A huge pool, hot tub, sauna, well pump, irrigation system, hot weather and a large ac system, and a separate shop on the property. The pool and Ac are the biggest draws by far .991 60' 4.36 @ 159 so far..... 6.86 @ 198 trying for more...... 533" single carb 235" Harrison 4-link | |||
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I wish I could post pictures on here, I'd post a screen shot of the energy monitoring app, the system has produced $10k in electricity in 14 months, which is 31 megawatts of power. .991 60' 4.36 @ 159 so far..... 6.86 @ 198 trying for more...... 533" single carb 235" Harrison 4-link | |||
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can you imagine? I mean, your putting flammable liquid in a tank and making it explode on purpose! My horse will never explode and the limitless renewable energy from simple hay to feed my horse! I 100% agree ev's aren't the answer for everyone. But anyone that commutes a regular path every day, it's hard to even come close to an ev with anything else. That said, mine is my commuter and miscellaneous car. My wife has a gas suv, we have trucks, and a toter for racing. I have multiple options, and all serve a different purpose perfectly. .991 60' 4.36 @ 159 so far..... 6.86 @ 198 trying for more...... 533" single carb 235" Harrison 4-link | |||
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Destroy what made America great (freedom of travel and general mobility) and you're almost home to a population that is EXACTLY where you want them, and if they're not, you can track them, and stop them. It's all about destroying free America and controlling our lives. "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375 | |||
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Seething anger and denial ensues in 3... 2... 1... https://www.audacy.com/wwl/new...-truck-across-the-us __ Michael Beard - staginglight@gmail.com Staging Light Graphic Design, Printing & Event Marketing | |||
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Meh, that's supposed to be special? 2500 miles or so. With gasoline at normal prices, it's about a $60 savings, and a loss of about 4 or 5 hours of travel time. So anyway, about $0.11 per mile "fuel" cost. Again, meh.  At current gasoline price I could drive our 2018 Acadia SLT2 AWD for $0.20 per mile, get there hours ahead, and tow anything that p.o.s. would tow. No anger, no denial, just looking for the truth. "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375 | |||
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| DRR Elite |
I’m glad it works for him. That’s not my idea of fun. Cutting it close. Planning your trip around charging stations. After the infrastructure is in place it should be more practical. He’s welcome to it for the present Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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The big boys need a new fix-addiction to peddle, for their subjects. In 20 years they'll have you gladly paying for the air you breath. | |||
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