Thanks I’ll read it.

CLAIM: If you are unvaccinated, you can get COVID and have over 99% chance of survival. If you get vaccinated, you can STILL get COVID and will still have over 99% chance of survival.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. On average about 98.2% of known COVID-19 patients in the U.S. survive, but each individual’s chance of dying from the virus will vary depending on their age, whether they have an underlying health condition and whether they are vaccinated. While people who are vaccinated can still get infected, these “breakthrough” cases are rare and vaccines dramatically reduce severe illness and death.

THE FACTS: As of July 23, there were more than 34.3 million known cases of COVID-19 in the United States and 610,370 deaths, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. That means the case fatality ratio -- or the portion of known cases that result in death in the country -- is 1.8%. In other words, on average, 98.2% of known COVID-19 patients in the U.S. survive. Because the true number of infections is much larger than just the documented cases, the actual survival rate of all COVID-19 infections is even higher than 98.2%.

A popular tweet this week, however, used the survival statistic without key context. “Unvaccinated, you can get COVID and have over 99% chance of survival. Get vaccinated and you can STILL get COVID and will still have over 99% chance of survival,” reads the tweet.

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The message is misleading. The average for the entire country cannot be used to calculate an individual’s chance of dying from the virus. The likelihood that a COVID-19 infection will result in death increases with age and if the patient has a pre-existing condition..

Dr. Thomas Giordano, professor of medicine and section chief of infectious diseases at Baylor College of Medicine, said the tweet ignores the fact that many people who survive COVID-19 have long-term symptoms, and that people who survive it can spread the disease to high risk patients who will not be as lucky.

“One in 500 people in the U.S. has died from COVID. To try to trivialize it and say it’s nothing, it doesn’t matter, I think it’s just a gross mischaracterization of what we are all living through,” Giordano told The Associated Press in a call.

Furthermore, vaccinated people are far less likely to become severely ill or die from COVID-19 compared to unvaccinated people.

Most vaccinated people with breakthrough infections experience mild illness, Dr. William Moss, a vaccine expert at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told the AP.

Giordano said compared to the average COVID-19 death rate in the U.S., “you look at what the vaccines can do, they decrease the risk of death and severe illness by more than 90 percent, 95 percent in the randomized studies.”

Data from May showed nearly all U.S. deaths from the virus were among people who haven’t received the vaccine, AP reporting found. About 99.5% of all deaths from COVID-19 are in the unvaccinated, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky has said.

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This is part of The Associated Press’ ongoing effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with Facebook and other platforms to add context to misleading content and reduce its circulation online.

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Data from May showed nearly all U.S. deaths from the virus were among people who haven’t received the vaccine, AP reporting found. About 99.5% of all deaths from COVID-19 are in the unvaccinated, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky has said.

All of that is just word salad, attempting to obscure the fact that the survival rate is over 99% whether vaccinated or not.

OF COURSE the bulk of the deaths were among the unvaccinated. The worst of the pandemic and the bulk of the deaths occurred BEFORE the vaccines became available.

"Furthermore, vaccinated people are far less likely to become severely ill or die from COVID-19 compared to unvaccinated people.

Most vaccinated people with breakthrough infections experience mild illness, Dr. William Moss, a vaccine expert at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told the AP."

...and they provide ZERO hard numbers or data to back up those assertions.

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Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:
You have a a chance if you get the vaccine, if not odds are not in your favor.

Proven to be a factually incorrect statement.

When you start playing around with numbers,you can make anything look good or bad.
I remember years ago when a Super Stock racer got down to 4 cars at an IHRA points meet.
This sounds like a pretty good accomplishment. I mean,when you are down to 4,you were one round away from the finals.
Until you later find out that there were 4 cars in the entire race.Then it doesn't sound like that much of an accomplishment.

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Originally posted by SlyFox:

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Data from May showed nearly all U.S. deaths from the virus were among people who haven’t received the vaccine, AP reporting found. About 99.5% of all deaths from COVID-19 are in the unvaccinated, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky has said.

All of that is just word salad, attempting to obscure the fact that the survival rate is over 99% whether vaccinated or not.

OF COURSE the bulk of the deaths were among the unvaccinated. The worst of the pandemic and the bulk of the deaths occurred BEFORE the vaccines became available.

"Furthermore, vaccinated people are far less likely to become severely ill or die from COVID-19 compared to unvaccinated people.

Most vaccinated people with breakthrough infections experience mild illness, Dr. William Moss, a vaccine expert at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told the AP."

...and they provide ZERO hard numbers or data to back up those assertions.

I just posted the data you gave us. Same article. What 442 said is dead on, you can scramble data till the cows come home. The end results don’t change.

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Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:

I just posted the data you gave us. Same article. What 442 said is dead on, you can scramble data till the cows come home. The end results don’t change.

And the undisputed end result is that, whether vaccinated or not, over 99% of people who contract COVID survive it.

99% of the proud anti vaccination types admitted to a hospital and ICU, say they made a huge mistake not getting vaccinated.
Some are born to learn **** the hardest way.

I don't get it. Why not get Vaccinated? Any good reasons why besides its experimental? Obtw, it's free! Actually I really don't care if the anti-vac folks get a shot or not. It's there gamble if they get Covid or not. I'm good, got the shots. Only non-vacinated people can give non-vacinated people Covid. I can't!

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Originally posted by Larry Scarth:
I don't get it. Why not get Vaccinated? Any good reasons why besides its experimental? Obtw, it's free! Actually I really don't care if the anti-vac folks get a shot or not. It's there gamble if they get Covid or not. I'm good, got the shots. Only non-vacinated people can give non-vacinated people Covid. I can't!

I don't get it either then. I mean why isn't the fact that it is experimental enough? I mean, as you said it is their decision right? And if it doesn't affect you, why the big push to get everyone jabbed? Are people not entitled to make their own health choices?

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
99% of the proud anti vaccination types admitted to a hospital and ICU, say they made a huge mistake not getting vaccinated.
Some are born to learn **** the hardest way.

Where is that stat from? I mean, I would bet that a high percentage of people who invested in a loser stock had some buyers remorse too. I imagine the 99% of the unvaccinated who didn't get sick were pretty happy with their decision too. None of it is very meaningful when you think about it.

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I really don't care unless it effects me. Well it effects me! I've been Vaccinated and I'm being punished by the un-vacinated. Why should I have to wear a mask, I can't infect ANYONE!

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Originally posted by Larry Scarth:
I really don't care unless it effects me. Well it effects me! I've been Vaccinated and I'm being punished by the un-vacinated. Why should I have to wear a mask, I can't infect ANYONE!

Why should anyone be forced to wear a mask? I mean, you are protected right?

Correct Bucky.

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Originally posted by Larry Scarth:
Correct Bucky.

Channel your frustration. Those not vaccinated are not causing you to wear a mask. Your government is.

Bucky.
Dead on.

Just be thankful you don't live in NAZI New York.

What's crazy is if you want to go to any establishment you need to show your papers (like Nazi Germany) BUT if you want to vote you just can show up and not show ANY ID.

Of course that is the Democrats way of cheating an election.

I just hope they keep all this mask BS, Nazi-ism, high fuel and food prices up.
If they do, it will be a LAND SLIDE in 2022 for the Republicans which are FAR better running this country than these Socialist Democrats that buy votes.

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
99% of the proud anti vaccination types admitted to a hospital and ICU, say they made a huge mistake not getting vaccinated.
Some are born to learn **** the hardest way.

Where is that stat from? I mean, I would bet that a high percentage of people who invested in a loser stock had some buyers remorse too. I imagine the 99% of the unvaccinated who didn't get sick were pretty happy with their decision too. None of it is very meaningful when you think about it.

Yea let’s keep fighting the message. Find me a nice list of those that caught Covid-19, hospitalized and come out swinging indicating that was great can I do it again.

Read this Ben. These are in the moderate news everyday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...h-id-gotten-vaccine/

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...it will be a LAND SLIDE in 2022 for the Republicans which are FAR better running this country than these Socialist Democrats that buy votes.

I'm afraid you're enthusiasm and expectations may be misplaced. Look at the current "bipartisan" $1T infrastructure bill in the senate. It's a total disaster! The libs already have the cake and icing, this would be the cherry on top. America has a 1 party system with 2 heads. Next is the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. We're talking $6 Trillions of dollars of deficient spending in a single year on top of $30 Trillion current debt. This is lunacy! Most understand we can never pay this debt and the digital dollar will seal the coffin on government control. Bipartisan my azz!

So you are saying before America got the Vaccine there was a 99.6% Survival rate among those who got it.

Now it is MUCH more Deadly if you do not get the Vaccine? Really? What changed? Sounds almost like Political lies and Media "Misinformation"

I can see where if you get the Vaccine your chances of getting the Virus and dying from it would go down even more.

But you can not tell me that before the Vaccine there was a 99.6% Survival rate for those not vaccinated but now it is more deadly. Nope. Same deal, they are just trying to force their agenda up you.

Get the vaccine if you want it but do not lie to me about it.

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
99% of the proud anti vaccination types admitted to a hospital and ICU, say they made a huge mistake not getting vaccinated.
Some are born to learn **** the hardest way.

Where is that stat from? I mean, I would bet that a high percentage of people who invested in a loser stock had some buyers remorse too. I imagine the 99% of the unvaccinated who didn't get sick were pretty happy with their decision too. None of it is very meaningful when you think about it.

Yea let’s keep fighting the message. Find me a nice list of those that caught Covid-19, hospitalized and come out swinging indicating that was great can I do it again.

Read this Ben. These are in the moderate news everyday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...h-id-gotten-vaccine/

I had covid, and was hospitalized. I have immunity at this point. And yes we are testing antibody levels quantitatively. And my health choices will not be influenced by pressures from the government, nor bossy's like you. I may or may get the jab. And if I do I will do it WHEN I think is most appropriate.

Nobody WANTS covid, which is why your example is kinda stupid. Nobody would go back in time after hospitalization and say that their bet worked out perfectly for them. I am good with my decision looking back for a variety of reasons. Again, that's a stupid example and you are grasping at straws with this.