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Same is true when JBR puts the stage light on briefly to start the timer. He knows how long he needs to hold it there before turning it back out.

The solution to all of this would be to update AutoStart to where rolling back out of the beam (or the wheel flip) after you've been in there long enough to trigger AutoStart earns you a red light.

That would be too easily and spoil the hustle for the hustlers.

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Originally posted by SlyFox:

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Same is true when JBR puts the stage light on briefly to start the timer. He knows how long he needs to hold it there before turning it back out.

The solution to all of this would be to update AutoStart to where rolling back out of the beam (or the wheel flip) after you've been in there long enough to trigger AutoStart earns you a red light.

Doesn't that get into why stage lock was added in the first place to no redlight cars that rock out of the beams?

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:

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Originally posted by SlyFox:

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Same is true when JBR puts the stage light on briefly to start the timer. He knows how long he needs to hold it there before turning it back out.

The solution to all of this would be to update AutoStart to where rolling back out of the beam (or the wheel flip) after you've been in there long enough to trigger AutoStart earns you a red light.

Doesn't that get into why stage lock was added in the first place to no redlight cars that rock out of the beams?

At this point I hesitate to offer my opinion, because I've never been anything but a foot-braker, BUT...personally I think it's every racer's responsibility to stage deep enough and/or fix their car to where it doesn't rock back out of the beams. JMHO

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:

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Originally posted by SlyFox:

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Same is true when JBR puts the stage light on briefly to start the timer. He knows how long he needs to hold it there before turning it back out.

The solution to all of this would be to update AutoStart to where rolling back out of the beam (or the wheel flip) after you've been in there long enough to trigger AutoStart earns you a red light.

Doesn't that get into why stage lock was added in the first place to no redlight cars that rock out of the beams?

They announced Stage lock was Not being used at the SFG 300 event.

Okay, now that I think about it Stagelock only works with 4 ambers on right?

Johnny has built a car for us, Johnny is a friend of mine for a few years now.

IF you are foolish enough to get beat by this tactic...ITS ON YOU FOOL...

Solution:
STAGE YOUR CAR when the top bulbs are lit in each lane. If you didn that correctly don't flinch when he mashes the gas pedal precisely right before the tree activates.

He does nothing wrong but look like the bad guy cuz you lost. You can play games...or you can stage your car and race.

I agree he’s not doing anything wrong meaning illegal however he is definitely playing games.

If this was some unknown dude that just showed up on the circuit and starting doing this, then the fraternity of big money bracket race regular winners would most likely run this dude out of the gate…. After he was made to re-run them.

Well known, regular winner does it. It’s celebrated.

By any chance is this round posted up on YouTube or some other site?
I saw him pull this move at the Million a couple years ago.
Would like to see how this one played out, if there is footage someplace...

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Originally posted by FootbrakeJim:
By any chance is this round posted up on YouTube or some other site?
I saw him pull this move at the Million a couple years ago.
Would like to see how this one played out, if there is footage someplace...

I don't know if this will work,but I saw it on Facebook with this link.

https://fb.watch/62idGWvpZ4/

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The solution to all of this would be to update AutoStart to where rolling back out of the beam (or the wheel flip) after you've been in there long enough to trigger AutoStart earns you a red light.

I don't see any timing manufacturers willing to change their software to accommodate that, so good luck with that.

Many moons ago they were approached about a Deep Staging solution but said it would be to costly to change the software.

I'm even surprised True Start was implemented. I'm guessing it was because of Peter and Kyle's influence. It was spoken about for well over a decade before its use.

My worthless 2¢

This has been going on a really long time, but most are only recently becoming aware through social media and Motor Mania. The solution is to let the teachers continue to educate the ignorant.

My point when I started this thread was about how long auto start has been out and how I am amazed how many people still don't comprehend how it works! Pretty crazy really, and yes what Johnny did does go on elsewhere too, just not in the big spotlight. I don't see anything wrong in what he did, it just puts an end to a staging battle for both racers. Heck I watched Jeremy Mckague do it to his own brother years ago, that was the 1st time I saw anyone do it intentionally.

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Originally posted by pauley:
although I agree with above statement I will say this.

jbr must not have thought he could beat the dude straight up so he opted to ch1t him out of it with a nice fucing. this is strictly my opinion.

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I'm with you.. Had this happen to me at the bracket final one year. Not a happy camper over it..

Just as a FYI it was Big Bird.. (Texans will know who)

Dave

I did watch the video of it several times, (Thanks 442 Olds).

Rather brutal, to be honest. Depending on what side of the fence you're on, I would have liked to see the opponent's reaction after seeing his red bulb and Johnny get a single. Had to be crushing for that dude, no doubt. Then again, if he just staged his car, it's race on. The precision involved in that particular execution is really impressive. I watched, rewatched the timing on the video clip, counted, and he has this tactic down to a science. Straightens wheel to break the beams for about 1/3 of a second, then turns left again, and Autostart must have a 10 second timer, because he literally straightens his wheels to stage almost exactly at 9 seconds after turning off the Stage bulb, followed almost immediately by the tree. If he waits another second and both red bulbs turn on, IIRC. Even if you don't like the move, watch it a few times, and you see more and more of what went into it, you almost have to admire the precision. The opponent's crew/son is standing to the side and he sees it playing out, motions to his dad/driver to stage, flips his arms in frustration when it goes down. My eyes aren't as good as they once were, but you can almost see the other driver's helmet tilt down and away from the tree, as if he is checking his gauges. At that moment is when JB breaks the beams, he had to be watching the guy. Like I said, it is brutal, cold, and deadly on an unsuspecting opponent. You know the fella will never fall for that one again. Unsportsmanlike? Yeah, you can say that, no question here. But then again, insisting on staging last could pretty much also fall into that category as well.
If you want to have a look, search for FB user Double00SnitShow (and change that "n" to an "h").
(Another thing to consider, if you decide to pull this move) - Depending on where you are racing, and how much is on the line - Might want to have some backup/stout crew members with you. I could imagine some drivers may want to personally question your techniques.

Somebody always stages last.

Another reason to get rid of Autostart. Per the rules, he did nothing wrong. No drag race should be determined before the tree falls.

Manny Sousa

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Do your burnout, prestage, then stage. Like I said before, the only time I care about what's going on in the other lane is if they haven't prestaged and I have. I'll wait before I roll in all the way. If I prestage and they just sit there, I'll give them some time, then I'll roll all the way in anyway. I don't care if I'm first or last in the beams......I'm there to race not play games.

Gamesmanship is part of every sport, pro and amateur. Winners play games, losers don’t. Bill Belichick and Tom Brady will be elected to hall of fame first time their names are on the ballot.