I think it's a good deterrent personally. There's no reason to make a big deal out of staging last. It's a dyck move, because you're only holding up the race, for no real reason.

I'm waiting for someone slick to come along and turn their stage bulb on simultaneously to the guy turning his steering wheel, to turn his stage bulb out.

It works, I did it to a guy at Sunshine more than ten years ago.

Who says JBR wasn't staged? His last motion was forward to flicker the bulb enough to start auto start even tho the second amber is not on, so he is in fact staged. Like it or not it's well within the rules. It's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again. What most people should be more concerned with is the time it takes some chosen one's to pull up to the tree after their burnout. At a large car count race the slow, self absorbed and deliberate way some people go about their staging "process" can add hours to an already long race day. Kevin

I agree. more time is wasted from the water box to the starting line than waiting for a person to stage last.

ep

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Originally posted by Undertaker II:
Who says JBR wasn't staged? His last motion was forward to flicker the bulb enough to start auto start even tho the second amber is not on, so he is in fact staged. Like it or not it's well within the rules. It's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again. What most people should be more concerned with is the time it takes some chosen one's to pull up to the tree after their burnout. At a large car count race the slow, self absorbed and deliberate way some people go about their staging "process" can add hours to an already long race day. Kevin

No, because obviously he turns the wheel as he originally gets in deep enough, he knows he's in but the timing equipment doesn't, because the steering is turned.

His last movement is to turn the steering, not forward. He turns the steering twice for the timing equipment to know he's there.

Although I think it's a good deterrent, I can look at it impartially - rational, with no emotional conclusion.

So just to clarify I have no problem with it because it would never cause me an issue. I just asked the question I did based on the many comments I see in support of him every time he does this.

everyone in support will not be affected because they will stage first on him and last on everyone else. therefore allowing jbr to dictate the race he wants to have.

not saying it is a guaranteed W for jbr but when someone as good as him gets his way up front he is that much harder to beat. because everyone is worried about getting in first so jbr doesn't make them look like an a$$ and everybody on the internet is laughing at them.

jbr is winning on every angle. I respect that.

ep

Turn on your stage bulb simultaneous to him turning his out, red light comes on his side of the tree.

Simple

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Originally posted by pauley:
everyone in support will not be affected because they will stage first on him and last on everyone else. therefore allowing jbr to dictate the race he wants to have.

not saying it is a guaranteed W for jbr but when someone as good as him gets his way up front he is that much harder to beat. because everyone is worried about getting in first so jbr doesn't make them look like an a$$ and everybody on the internet is laughing at them.

jbr is winning on every angle. I respect that.

ep

You only fall victim to this staging game if you participate in it. If it's that important that you stage last and you don't want him to dictate it, then YOU flicker the 3rd amber, hope that your "1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi" is more accurate than his and go in right behind him. Everything he uses to do this is available to you as well.

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Originally posted by BD104X:

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Originally posted by pauley:
everyone in support will not be affected because they will stage first on him and last on everyone else. therefore allowing jbr to dictate the race he wants to have.

not saying it is a guaranteed W for jbr but when someone as good as him gets his way up front he is that much harder to beat. because everyone is worried about getting in first so jbr doesn't make them look like an a$$ and everybody on the internet is laughing at them.

jbr is winning on every angle. I respect that.

ep

You only fall victim to this staging game if you participate in it. If it's that important that you stage last and you don't want him to dictate it, then YOU flicker the 3rd amber, hope that your "1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi" is more accurate than his and go in right behind him. Everything he uses to do this is available to you as well.

with all do respect. you are implying that I would get tangled up in a game that someone is obviously better at than me and implying that staging last is of importance to me.

so is the advice you are giving me the tactic you would use against him? guessing our 1 Mississippi's. I would wager that if you run him you will be like everyone else and stage first therefore giving him what he wants so nobody is standing on the fence laughing at you.

I am not saying what this tactic is, is right, wrong or chicken ch!t. I am saying everybody is afraid of being laughed at so you put your piece in the beams first. so who has the upper hand in this situation. answer jbr. not you or anyone else.

ep-I have a hard enough time not screwing myself up much less trying to screw jbr out of something

Put a blinder on the second bulb and it would eliminate these staging games and get things moving a lot faster.

I like that idea Green. see the prestage and not the bottom bulb. then nobody knows when the tree is going to light up. that would be very interesting to see.

ep

I just stage my car. No matter what the other guy does. Only time I even look at his side is if I light the pre-stage bulb first. No matter whether he or I prestage first, once his top is lit, from that point I do what I do, and focus on my side of the tree. (Obviously things would be a bit different if I was a top bulber)
Guys do try to pull the "stage last" deal even in No-E classes. I never understood why that is important, anyway. If your attention span is so limited you can only maintain focus long enough to hit the tree within 7-10 seconds of staging, work on improving that part of your game.

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Did he win the race?

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with all do respect. you are implying that I would get tangled up in a game that someone is obviously better at than me and implying that staging last is of importance to me.

so is the advice you are giving me the tactic you would use against him? guessing our 1 Mississippi's. I would wager that if you run him you will be like everyone else and stage first therefore giving him what he wants so nobody is standing on the fence laughing at you.

I am not saying what this tactic is, is right, wrong or chicken ch!t. I am saying everybody is afraid of being laughed at so you put your piece in the beams first. so who has the upper hand in this situation. answer jbr. not you or anyone else.

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No, I'm not suggesting that I would do that or that you should... like you, I don't play games but just go in within a reasonable amount of time & don't care who goes in first or last. You and a few others said that he gets to dictate the race he wants to have. My point was just that he's not really dictating anything since we are all operating under the same parameters. He's not forcing anyone to go in first or last, just doing a better job of gaming the system.

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Originally posted by Eman:
Did he win the race?

Yes, the other guy was timed out by autostart. That's what this thread is regarding.

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Originally posted by Eman:
Did he win the race?

That single pass, yes. The overall race no, they wouldn't let him come back with ratchet straps on the chassis, although he did weld it IIRC.

we can agree on that BD104. you and I and a lot of others have our own game plan when rolling up and really don't care either way what happens or who does what. but you must admit because of jbr's known history of this move, a good percentage of his opponents have it in mind and are beat before they pull out of the lanes.

jbr is at the top of the game for a reason. he makes solid runs, makes very few mistakes, does not beat himself often, and plays the system when needed. all props to him and I have no disrespect to him or diminish his ability at all. he can beat most people without the tricks. I believe if you beat him you will have to make a good lap.

ep

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Originally posted by pauley:
we can agree on that BD104. you and I and a lot of others have our own game plan when rolling up and really don't care either way what happens or who does what. but you must admit because of jbr's known history of this move, a good percentage of his opponents have it in mind and are beat before they pull out of the lanes.

jbr is at the top of the game for a reason. he makes solid runs, makes very few mistakes, does not beat himself often, and plays the system when needed. all props to him and I have no disrespect to him or diminish his ability at all. he can beat most people without the tricks. I believe if you beat him you will have to make a good lap.

ep

100%

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Originally posted by pauley:
we can agree on that BD104. you and I and a lot of others have our own game plan when rolling up and really don't care either way what happens or who does what. but you must admit because of jbr's known history of this move, a good percentage of his opponents have it in mind and are beat before they pull out of the lanes.

jbr is at the top of the game for a reason. he makes solid runs, makes very few mistakes, does not beat himself often, and plays the system when needed. all props to him and I have no disrespect to him or diminish his ability at all. he can beat most people without the tricks. I believe if you beat him you will have to make a good lap.

ep

I have to make a good lap to beat anybody PAULEY.....LOL